[sdiy] Nifty Slider/Fader alert

Sun Jun 6 21:08:48 CEST 2004

8) Clean the vinyl thoroughly before playing the first time....I destroyed 
a $300 stylus when I played Tomita's Bremuda Triangle (this was the blue 
vinyl disk).  There was some sort of an oilly residue on the disk that took 
out the stylus...all I can say, I was pissed, but, it taught me to clean 
the disks before I played them.  There was a local HiFi store that had a 
real good cleaner (you could buy your own, but at $5000, I prefered to just 
use theirs and pay $2.00 for each disk cleaning).

At 01:48 PM 6/6/2004 -0400, harrybissell wrote:
>Now were starting to get the gloves off...  :^P
>
>Some fun ideas...
>
>how about a list of the "do's and don't of vinyl" I'll include only those 
>that I
>have
>personal experience with, others can add...
>
>1)  Do not EVER take your vinyl records anywhere.  Especially a party
>
>2) Never lend ANYONE a vinyl record.
>
>3) Never play a vinyl recors on anyone else's turntable
>
>4) Check your cartridge (stylus) constantly for wear or damage
>
>5) Always store your vinyl in the vertical position, never stack
>
>6) Promptly remove the shrink wrap... even if you like the cover art
>
>7) Always leave Mick Jagger's zipper in the full DOWN position (sticky fingers
>only)
>
>When CDs first came out... I attended a party where someone used a Michael
>Jackson
>CD as a beer coaster.  (of course imho thats actually too good a fate, but...)
>Remember what
>those early CDs cost ???    (don't try that with vinyl)
>
>Now be fair... vinyl has some cool tricks as well. Some turntables will allow
>backwards
>play... great for finding out if Paul is "really" dead.   Playing vinyl at the
>wrong speed can
>be amusing as well...
>
>I agree that vinyl can be very good... however most people cannot protect the
>vinyl properly
>and it gets ruined.  IMHO, the only reason that Pink Floyd's DSOTM remained on
>the
>charts for over ten years... is all the stoners who skated the record while
>flying...  and had to
>buy a new copy.
>
>H^) harry
>
>Glen wrote:
>
> > At 08:12 PM 6/5/04 , R. D. Davis wrote:
> >
> > >> POPPING and CRACKLING that peaked out MUCH LOUDER than the music I was
> > >> trying to hear underneath it!
> > >
> > >What else would one expect when records are removed from packaging that
> > >resultes in static?  If you'd cleaned them with an anti-static cleaner
> > >and used rice-paper sleaves to keep them in...
> >
> > Okay, once again I have a vinyl lover who simply assumes that I MUST have
> > done something wrong if I had several records that had serious popping and
> > cracking. What makes you so damn sure that I didn't use anti-static
> > cleaners? I did try different record cleaning products, and yes they
> > claimed to eliminate static. What makes you so sure about the sleeves I put
> > the records in? I did try some different sleeves, and never noticed an
> > appreciable difference. I can't recall using rice paper in particular, and
> > I don't even remember seeing it available for purchase. If rice paper
> > sleeves were so important to the proper play of a record, why didn't I see
> > them for sale? Why is it only now that I even hear that I should have used
> > them? I find it odd that I used to work in the largest music store in the
> > state, which sold a lot of nice hi-fi gear, including some of the exotic
> > names, and none of my sales friends ever mentioned rice paper sleeves. If
> > they were such a requisite for proper playing of a record, I definitely
> > should have heard about them before now.
> >
> > Guess what? A CD doesn't require rice paper sleeves to prevent loud popping
> > noises during play. It also doesn't require anti-static treatments. It also
> > doesn't require cleaning, unless you accidently smear something on it, in
> > which case it's a hell of a lot easier to clean, and a lot more forgiving,
> > even if played slightly dirty.
> >
> > Why do you insist on insinuating that I MUST be some barbarian, and that I
> > destroyed my records, if several of them popped and cracked like a roaring
> > fireplace? What makes me really steamed, is this attitude from you and
> > Ralph that makes far too many assumptions about the habits of people who
> > complain that several of their vinyl records popped and cracked too much.
> > You spout off remarks about my personal habits (you must have destroyed
> > your records), (it must be operator error), (you didn't use anti-static
> > treatments), which you have no way of knowing if they are even remotely
> > true. Yet, you say these things in a somewhat degrading, and marginalizing
> > tone, as if they are true.
> >
> > >Also, you weren't wearing any polyester clothing when handling the
> > >records in a dry environment were you?
> >
> > I don't wear much synthetic fabric, and my house sat over a small stream,
> > at the edge of a forest, during that time period. There weren't too many
> > low-humidity days, and before you blame air conditioning, I should mention
> > that I went for several years without air conditioning. I could have
> > handled some of my records totally nude, while standing in a torrential
> > downpour, and they would still have crackled.
> >
> > Oh that's the problem, Glen! You made the mistake of standing! Didn't
> > anyone tell you that you had to lay on your stomach, wrapped in an
> > totally-enclosed embossed copper foil suit, laying on military-grade
> > tactically-moistened earth, underneath the shelter of a silver-plated and
> > lacquered carbon-fiber tetrahedral enclosure, to ward off the evil static
> > demons? What a pig you are, Glen! It's no wonder your records crackled!
> >
> > >Playing records wet ruins them.
> >
> > When all else fails, you get kind of desperate. At least you get a few good
> > listens out of them, which is better than the alternative.
> >
> > >Was the turntable grounded?  Did you align the cartridge properly?  A
> > >very slight amount of misalignment will made a big difference in the
> > >sound.
> >
> > Yes, yes, and I know. Why MUST it be my fault, that vinyl was prone to
> > popping and cracking?
> >
> > >Hmmm... I'm using an old Thorens TD-160 with a Shure V15 III
> > >cartridge, far from an expensive turntable and cartridge combination,
> > >and clean my records with Discwasher (drying and letting them dry
> > >thoroughly!).  Popping sounds from static are quite rare.  Also, I can
> > >play warped records with no tracking problems.
> >
> > I've had a Grado turntable, and a Technics turntable. (I can't remember the
> > models.) I've had cartridges from Grado, Audio Technica, Shure, and
> > Ortofon. With all the turntable and cartridge combinations, there was never
> > a combination that played all my records quietly. Just admit it:  A lot of
> > vinyl records had bad pop and snap issues.
> >
> > >> As flawed as cheap CD players are, even the CHEAPEST CD player doesn't
> > >> create a disturbance as noticeable as this.
> > >
> > >But one will plays discs that won't last as long as vinyl
> > >LPs... remember these words "CD-Rot".
> >
> > Anything on CD that I want to keep for the rest of my life can be copied
> > and archived onto other CD's, hard drives, and in the future possibly some
> > other digital media as well. These copies are practically perfect clones of
> > the original, and certainly offer plenty of value as a lifelong archive.
> >
> > >> You can keep your turntables and vinyl records. I'll gladly suffer 
> through
> > >> the "horrors" of pop-and-click-free listening with my humble CD 
> player. It
> > >> may have limitations, but at least I can depend on actually hearing the
> > >> music when I purchase an album on CD.
> > >
> > >Until CD-Rot sets in.   :-) :-) :-)
> >
> > Tommy-Rot!
> >
> > later...  much later hopefully,
> > Glen Berry
> >
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         -Jim
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