> Not bad, not bad at all. It looks like the programmer kit only costs $75.00 > (http://www.digikey.com/scripts/US/DKSUS.dll?KeywordSearch?Mpart=ATSTK500) Also see http://www.al-williams.com/pbx84.htm for a Xilinx proto kit and http://www.al-williams.com/abx84.htm for Altera. Caveat: I don't know Altera from Atmel from Xilinx. -- john