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2005-12-07 by Max Fazio
Hi all ANybody knows a well documented site about this preset synth? I went through a number of them and all were poor. Looking especially for a detailed description of the synth path ( the only thin I know it it had 4xcarriers + 4xmodulators coupled two by two ). Thx for your help! M [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-12-07 by Wavecomputer360
Hi Max, one of the few digital synths out there I\ufffdd really love to own, just like a DX-1. I played a GS-1 ages ago (I think I was 16 around then), and I was blown away by how musical it is. Timbrally severely limited but so expressive, and so full of punch... very much like a CS80. Like Eno once said about the CS "it just has six great sounds but I\ufffdd rather have six great sounds than sixty mediocre ones". Same thing goes for the GS-1. Unfortunately there isn\ufffdt much info on the net, and mostly you\ufffdll encounter it on some Vangelis-related sites (or Toto, but let\ufffds keep quiet about that...). The GS-2 tends to show up from time to time but mostly it\ufffds way overpriced or not complete, or both. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It\ufffds out: "oughtibridge", the new [\ufffdramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [\ufffdramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England\ufffds Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Fazio <faxiomas@...> To: <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:06 AM Subject: [yamahacs80] (OT) Yamaha GS-1 > Hi all > ANybody knows a well documented site about this preset synth? I went through a number of them and all were poor. Looking especially for a detailed description of the synth path ( the only thin I know it it had 4xcarriers + 4xmodulators coupled two by two ).
> Thx for your help! > M > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
2005-12-13 by The Old Crow
Well, I have a GS-1, although it is currently stored in the flight cabinet from my house move. The GS-1 has two identical tone generators, each arranged as a 2 x 2 (two carriers, two modulators). These are separate boards and do not interact save for being clocked from a single master source and mixed at the final audio stage. What makes the setup nice is that you can detune the master clock between the boards and get a very nice fortification of the notes. There are several clock skew settings, from subtle to hard. My favorite is "random" at a low modulation level. Makes the patches sound very acoustic. Loading the patches from the magnetic strips is not the easiest thing in the world; most patches need to be loaded more than once. The process is very linear: press a preset button for the location you want to store, put in the strip in the "A" direction, wait for it to spit back out, put in the strip in the "B" direction, wait for it to come out, and hopefully the preset LED will blink once, meaning everything went OK. The "A" side loads voice card #1, the "B" side loads voice card #2. These two sides can be elements of the same patch or two different patches (eg, piano+marimba). Here is a pic of my GS-1 (with my DX-1 on top, and my then 1 1/2 year-old son having fun.) http://www.oldcrows.net/~oldcrow/synth/yamaha/gs1/DX1_GS1.jpg Crow /**/ Max Fazio wrote:
>Hi all >ANybody knows a well documented site about this preset synth? I went through a number of them and all were poor. Looking especially for a detailed description of the synth path ( the only thin I know it it had 4xcarriers + 4xmodulators coupled two by two ). >Thx for your help! >M > >
2005-12-13 by The Old Crow
My GS-1 is in fact one of the two that Steve Porcaro (of Toto) used in the early 1980s. From 1984 to 2001 it sat in a warehouse. Then I found it... ;) Crow /**/ Wavecomputer360 wrote:
>Unfortunately there isn\ufffdt much info on the net, and mostly you\ufffdll encounter >it on some Vangelis-related sites (or Toto, but let\ufffds keep quiet about >that...). The GS-2 tends to show up from time to time but mostly it\ufffds way >overpriced or not complete, or both. > >
2005-12-13 by Max Fazio
Thx Scott for these nice infos, I will try to push my FM7 to get some GS-1ish sounds ( what I love is the marimba like sound which at low pitches sounds wonderfully natural!) PS:may I write you privately? Max
----- Original Message -----
From: The Old Crow
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] (OT) Yamaha GS-1
Well, I have a GS-1, although it is currently stored in the flight
cabinet from my house move. The GS-1 has two identical tone generators,
each arranged as a 2 x 2 (two carriers, two modulators). These are
separate boards and do not interact save for being clocked from a single
master source and mixed at the final audio stage. What makes the setup
nice is that you can detune the master clock between the boards and get
a very nice fortification of the notes. There are several clock skew
settings, from subtle to hard. My favorite is "random" at a low
modulation level. Makes the patches sound very acoustic.
Loading the patches from the magnetic strips is not the easiest thing
in the world; most patches need to be loaded more than once. The
process is very linear: press a preset button for the location you want
to store, put in the strip in the "A" direction, wait for it to spit
back out, put in the strip in the "B" direction, wait for it to come
out, and hopefully the preset LED will blink once, meaning everything
went OK.
The "A" side loads voice card #1, the "B" side loads voice card #2.
These two sides can be elements of the same patch or two different
patches (eg, piano+marimba).
Here is a pic of my GS-1 (with my DX-1 on top, and my then 1 1/2
year-old son having fun.)
http://www.oldcrows.net/~oldcrow/synth/yamaha/gs1/DX1_GS1.jpg
Crow
/**/
Max Fazio wrote:
>Hi all
>ANybody knows a well documented site about this preset synth? I went through a number of them and all were poor. Looking especially for a detailed description of the synth path ( the only thin I know it it had 4xcarriers + 4xmodulators coupled two by two ).
>Thx for your help!
>M
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-12-14 by laurie
Sounds like the same magnetic strips as on the CS70-m except they are on
the right hand side of the board....tell me, did you get the black
yamaha magnetic strip book with your GS???
The Old Crow wrote:
> Well, I have a GS-1, although it is currently stored in the flight
> cabinet from my house move. The GS-1 has two identical tone
> generators,
> each arranged as a 2 x 2 (two carriers, two modulators). These are
> separate boards and do not interact save for being clocked from a
> single
> master source and mixed at the final audio stage. What makes the
> setup
> nice is that you can detune the master clock between the boards and
> get
> a very nice fortification of the notes. There are several clock skew
> settings, from subtle to hard. My favorite is "random" at a low
> modulation level. Makes the patches sound very acoustic.
>
> Loading the patches from the magnetic strips is not the easiest
> thing
> in the world; most patches need to be loaded more than once. The
> process is very linear: press a preset button for the location you
> want
> to store, put in the strip in the "A" direction, wait for it to spit
> back out, put in the strip in the "B" direction, wait for it to come
> out, and hopefully the preset LED will blink once, meaning everything
> went OK.
>
> The "A" side loads voice card #1, the "B" side loads voice card #2.
> These two sides can be elements of the same patch or two different
> patches (eg, piano+marimba).
>
> Here is a pic of my GS-1 (with my DX-1 on top, and my then 1 1/2
> year-old son having fun.)
>
> http://www.oldcrows.net/~oldcrow/synth/yamaha/gs1/DX1_GS1.jpg
>
> Crow
> /**/
>
> Max Fazio wrote:
>
> >Hi all
> >ANybody knows a well documented site about this preset synth? I went
> through a number of them and all were poor. Looking especially for a
> detailed description of the synth path ( the only thin I know it it
> had 4xcarriers + 4xmodulators coupled two by two ).
> >Thx for your help!
> >M
> >
> >
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-12-14 by David Rogoff
The Old Crow wrote: > My GS-1 is in fact one of the two that Steve Porcaro (of Toto) used in > the early 1980s. From 1984 to 2001 it sat in a warehouse. Then I found > it... ;) > I'm listening right now to Deep Space from The Magazine by Rickie Lee Jones. Great album, back from 1984. This song is just GS-1 and Rickie Lee singing. It's a really great along-piano sound. The album has thanks to various Toto people, so it might be the very GS-1 you have! The song is on the iTunes store if you want to hear 30 seconds of it. Anyway, this is getting too close to the evil DX-7 which, almost single handedly, destroyed analog synths for over a decade. David
2005-12-14 by David Rogoff
David Rogoff wrote: > ee singing. It's a really great along-piano sound. The album has > I wish I could type: that's supposed to be "almost-piano"
2005-12-14 by The Old Crow
It is the same strip reader, a Canon model. I have one patch book of factory voices. I'd like some more. ;) Crow /**/ laurie wrote:
>Sounds like the same magnetic strips as on the CS70-m except they are on >the right hand side of the board....tell me, did you get the black >yamaha magnetic strip book with your GS??? > >
2005-12-14 by oasysfan2
Wow, that's FM? What an amazingly pianistic sound!
> I'm listening right now to Deep Space from The Magazine by Rickie Lee > Jones. Great album, back from 1984. This song is just GS-1 and Rickie > Lee singing. It's a really great along-piano sound. The album has > thanks to various Toto people, so it might be the very GS-1 you have! > The song is on the iTunes store if you want to hear 30 seconds of it. > > Anyway, this is getting too close to the evil DX-7 which, almost single > handedly, destroyed analog synths for over a decade. > > David >
2005-12-14 by laurie
I disagree...I believe it was the introduction of midi which transformed the magic of performance, individualism, imagination and spontaneity which veered companies away from manufacturing top of the line monsters like the CS 80 down the road to multiconsumer convenience, sameness, larger profit margins etc.....dont get me wrong, some times paying 300 bucks for a program CD like the CS80v...pays out in the end in recapturing some of what once was, but what makes me stand apart is the CS80 and what I know I can achieve in real time with the real time expression and real time imagination....... oasysfan2 wrote: > Wow, that's FM? What an amazingly pianistic sound! > > > I'm listening right now to Deep Space from The Magazine by Rickie > Lee > > Jones. Great album, back from 1984. This song is just GS-1 and > Rickie > > Lee singing. It's a really great along-piano sound. The album has > > thanks to various Toto people, so it might be the very GS-1 you > have! > > The song is on the iTunes store if you want to hear 30 seconds of > it. > > > > Anyway, this is getting too close to the evil DX-7 which, almost > single > > handedly, destroyed analog synths for over a decade. > > > > David > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > + Visit your group "yamahacs80" on the web. > > + To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > yamahacs80-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > + Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-12-14 by Max Fazio
>but what makes me stand apart is the >CS80 and what I know I can >achieve in real time with the >real time >expression and real time >imagination....... You're right ,Laurie, but at least the roadies will be thankful for not moving a synthsizer weighing 220 lbs ( same thing for Hammond compared to a, say B4) ! ;-) M
----- Original Message -----
From: laurie
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Re: (OT) Yamaha GS-1
I disagree...I believe it was the introduction of midi which transformed
the magic of performance, individualism, imagination and spontaneity
which veered companies away from manufacturing top of the line monsters
like the CS 80 down the road to multiconsumer convenience, sameness,
larger profit margins etc.....dont get me wrong, some times paying 300
bucks for a program CD like the CS80v...pays out in the end in
recapturing some of what once was, but what makes me stand apart is the
CS80 and what I know I can achieve in real time with the real time
expression and real time imagination.......
oasysfan2 wrote:
> Wow, that's FM? What an amazingly pianistic sound!
>
> > I'm listening right now to Deep Space from The Magazine by Rickie
> Lee
> > Jones. Great album, back from 1984. This song is just GS-1 and
> Rickie
> > Lee singing. It's a really great along-piano sound. The album has
> > thanks to various Toto people, so it might be the very GS-1 you
> have!
> > The song is on the iTunes store if you want to hear 30 seconds of
> it.
> >
> > Anyway, this is getting too close to the evil DX-7 which, almost
> single
> > handedly, destroyed analog synths for over a decade.
> >
> > David
> >
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-12-14 by Quazimodo
Isn't that what roadies are paid for, moving heavy gear aroud...? Cheers. TOM --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Max Fazio" <faxiomas@v...> wrote: > > You're right ,Laurie, but at least the roadies will be thankful for not moving a synthsizer weighing 220 lbs ( same thing for Hammond compared to a, say B4) ! > ;-) > M
2005-12-14 by Max Fazio
:-) Oh, I just talked about moods , aside from the moneys...let's say that if I worked as a roadie I should be thankful for not moving 220 lbs of a synth then booking a check up at the hospital lol! M
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Isn't that what roadies are paid for, moving heavy gear aroud...?
Cheers.
TOM
--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Max Fazio" <faxiomas@v...> wrote:
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> You're right ,Laurie, but at least the roadies will be thankful for
not moving a synthsizer weighing 220 lbs ( same thing for Hammond
compared to a, say B4) !
> ;-)
> M
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-12-15 by laurie
I play in a very loud Hard rock Group(.FIST.)My CS-80 has been an integral part of the band since the early eightys......touring and opening with bands such as Triumph/Molly Hatchet/Harlequin/Motorhead/Krokus...et all.... Aside from the 20 minute warm up, The CS-80 delivers one hell of a show every time....Zero latency....controllers on hand....poly aftertouch.....no midi lockup.....it is by far less work for me to have a CS-80 in my rig for me because there is no second guessing or pondering...It really becomes an extension of me... giving me the ability to express whatever pops into my head at any given time.....the Sound levels are consistently solid......its always in the monitors and always in the front......Where the alternatives to a real CS 80 fails is the 220 pounds of missing audio that never consistently shows up at the FOH position......Nothing can put out solid low end like a CS-80 can live....Sound men never have to search for it (its right there, driven by 48 volt circuitry all the way down to a half hertz...)with jbl 4530s for house lows, I have moved tables and chairs with the CS-80 cause it can deliver....Many pitchers of beer have foamed over but not from all the midi gak....its the CS-80......every time............. Max Fazio wrote: > :-) > > Oh, I just talked about moods , aside from the moneys...let's say that > if I worked as a roadie I should be thankful for not moving 220 lbs of > a synth then booking a check up at the hospital > lol! > M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Quazimodo > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:49 PM > Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: (OT) Yamaha GS-1 > > > Isn't that what roadies are paid for, moving heavy gear aroud...? > > Cheers. > TOM > > > --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "Max Fazio" <faxiomas@v...> > wrote: > > > > You're right ,Laurie, but at least the roadies will be thankful > for > not moving a synthsizer weighing 220 lbs ( same thing for Hammond > compared to a, say B4) ! > > ;-) > > M > > > > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "yamahacs80" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > yamahacs80-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > + Visit your group "yamahacs80" on the web. > > + To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > yamahacs80-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > + Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-12-15 by Tim Siefkes
(I've been exchanging back and forth a little off the list with Max about all of this too.) As I just said to Max yesterday, when I first saw one of these beasts in a music store back in '79 it was simply the most amazing thing I had ever played. I knew I had to have one, whatever it took. The expressiveness, the control, the ability to simply lean into a note to bring it out some, all the subtle nuances that can be added. The sounds are great, but the best parts of the 80 are the performance features. I too, Laurie, always felt as you do that this instrument, more than any other I have owned/played feels more like an extension of myself. There's an immediacy and a connection that just doesn't appear in other instruments. I played mine in three rock bands that travelled the US a lot, doing everything from The Beatles to Ultravox and this synth was always well worth the effort to haul it around. But of course, we're simply preaching to the choir here! :-) -Tim S. <Minneapolis> laurie wrote:
> I play in a very loud Hard rock Group(.FIST.)My CS-80 has been an > integral part of the band since the early eightys......touring and > opening with bands such as Triumph/Molly > Hatchet/Harlequin/Motorhead/Krokus...et all.... Aside from the 20 minute > warm up, The CS-80 delivers one hell of a show every time....Zero > latency....controllers on hand....poly aftertouch.....no midi > lockup.....it is by far less work for me to have a CS-80 in my rig for > me because there is no second guessing or pondering...It really becomes > an extension of me... giving me the ability to express whatever pops > into my head at any given time.....the Sound levels are consistently > solid......its always in the monitors and always in the front......Where > the alternatives to a real CS 80 fails is the 220 pounds of missing > audio that never consistently shows up at the FOH position......Nothing > can put out solid low end like a CS-80 can live....Sound men never have > to search for it (its right there, driven by 48 volt circuitry all the > way down to a half hertz...)with jbl 4530s for house lows, I have moved > tables and chairs with the CS-80 cause it can deliver....Many pitchers > of beer have foamed over but not from all the midi gak....its the > CS-80......every time............. >
2005-12-15 by Wavecomputer360
Hi Tim, hi Laurie, I think you hit the nail on the head... it\ufffds the performance of the instrument, the way controls are laid out and the way the machine responds to you as a player which makes the CS80 stand out. And this is why all virtual emulations are pointless as the sum of it all makes it the instrument it is, not only the sound generation (which is rather simple, compared with, say, and Oberheim Xpander and such). Like Peter Forrest once said, other polysynths would wipe the floor with the CS80 when it comes to modulation routings and such but the CS80 would blow them all away when it comes to richness of sound and sheer performance power. Like Brian Eno once put it, "the CS80 has just six sounds in it which are great but I\ufffdd rather have six great sounds than sixty mdeiocre ones". BTW, I talked to a tech yesterday and asked him if he\ufffdd overhaul my CS80. He pointed out this machine needed an exorcist but not a technician... Stephen. ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It\ufffds out: "oughtibridge", the new [\ufffdramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [\ufffdramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England\ufffds Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Siefkes <timsks@...> To: <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: [yamahacs80] What it is about the CS80 > (I've been exchanging back and forth a little off the list with Max > about all of this too.) As I just said to Max yesterday, when I first > saw one of these beasts in a music store back in '79 it was simply the > most amazing thing I had ever played. I knew I had to have one, whatever > it took. The expressiveness, the control, the ability to simply lean > into a note to bring it out some, all the subtle nuances that can be > added. The sounds are great, but the best parts of the 80 are the > performance features. I too, Laurie, always felt as you do that this > instrument, more than any other I have owned/played feels more like an > extension of myself. There's an immediacy and a connection that just > doesn't appear in other instruments. I played mine in three rock bands > that travelled the US a lot, doing everything from The Beatles to > Ultravox and this synth was always well worth the effort to haul it around.
> > But of course, we're simply preaching to the choir here! :-) > > -Tim S. > <Minneapolis> > > laurie wrote: > > > I play in a very loud Hard rock Group(.FIST.)My CS-80 has been an > > integral part of the band since the early eightys......touring and > > opening with bands such as Triumph/Molly > > Hatchet/Harlequin/Motorhead/Krokus...et all.... Aside from the 20 minute > > warm up, The CS-80 delivers one hell of a show every time....Zero > > latency....controllers on hand....poly aftertouch.....no midi > > lockup.....it is by far less work for me to have a CS-80 in my rig for > > me because there is no second guessing or pondering...It really becomes > > an extension of me... giving me the ability to express whatever pops > > into my head at any given time.....the Sound levels are consistently > > solid......its always in the monitors and always in the front......Where > > the alternatives to a real CS 80 fails is the 220 pounds of missing > > audio that never consistently shows up at the FOH position......Nothing > > can put out solid low end like a CS-80 can live....Sound men never have > > to search for it (its right there, driven by 48 volt circuitry all the > > way down to a half hertz...)with jbl 4530s for house lows, I have moved > > tables and chairs with the CS-80 cause it can deliver....Many pitchers > > of beer have foamed over but not from all the midi gak....its the > > CS-80......every time............. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
2005-12-16 by David Rogoff
Wavecomputer360 wrote: > Hi Tim, hi Laurie, > > I think you hit the nail on the head... it\ufffds the performance of the > instrument, the way controls are laid out and the way the machine responds > to you as a player which makes the CS80 stand out. And this is why all > virtual emulations are pointless as the sum of it all makes it the > instrument it is, not only the sound generation (which is rather simple, > compared with, say, and Oberheim Xpander and such). Like Peter Forrest once > said, other polysynths would wipe the floor with the CS80 when it comes to > modulation routings and such but the CS80 would blow them all away when it > comes to richness of sound and sheer performance power. > Most definitely! Once again, the great things about the CS-80, for me, are the feel and poly-aftertouch of the keyboard, the ribbon (including being able to sweep down to D.C.), the choice of sustain I & II (for nice mono/sustained sounds on a poly-synth), the ring modulator, and having all the performance knobs. I like the sound, but to me it's not the big deal. Now, give me an Oberheim 8-voice SEM box controlled from a CS-80. That instrument could caress like a feather or kill a tyrannosaurus from a mile away... As I've mentioned, I picked up a MIDIBoard and a Roland A-50 a while ago to try and have a poly-aftertouch MIDI controller, but I'm still working on restoring the A-50. How do we get Edirol (=Roland, who made the A-50 and A-80) or M-Audio to add this? Their MIDI/USB keyboards are getting nicer all the time with more programmable knobs and sliders. How do we convince them that there's a market (other than a few dozen of us here)? David
2005-12-16 by matrix
What's interesting is the CS60 has a bit of this as well. When I first got it I was a little dissapointed. It seemed a little lackluster, until... I figured out how to play it. It comes alive when you learn how to use the aftertouch and modulations. It's subtle but amazing. I kept thinking of it like a violin; it sound like crap if you just pick up a bow and try to play it without "playing it right." But when you do play it, wow! It's still rather bizarre to me. With a synth I expect that I can just press keys and be done. Not with the CS60. I can't imagine what a CS80 would be like with poly aftertouch and more synthesis power. Another amzing synth as fars as keyboard control goes is the Roads Chroma. BTW, with the CS60 the ribbon controller only controls pitch. Is this also the case with the CS80 or can you have it mod other things like aftertouch. -matrix http://www.matrixsynth.com/blog ____________________________
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Wavecomputer360 wrote:
> Hi Tim, hi Laurie,
>
> I think you hit the nail on the head... it´s the performance of the
> instrument, the way controls are laid out and the way the machine responds
> to you as a player which makes the CS80 stand out. And this is why all
> virtual emulations are pointless as the sum of it all makes it the
> instrument it is, not only the sound generation (which is rather simple,
> compared with, say, and Oberheim Xpander and such). Like Peter Forrest once
> said, other polysynths would wipe the floor with the CS80 when it comes to
> modulation routings and such but the CS80 would blow them all away when it
> comes to richness of sound and sheer performance power.
>
Most definitely! Once again, the great things about the CS-80, for me,
are the feel and poly-aftertouch of the keyboard, the ribbon (including
being able to sweep down to D.C.), the choice of sustain I & II (for
nice mono/sustained sounds on a poly-synth), the ring modulator, and
having all the performance knobs. I like the sound, but to me it's not
the big deal. Now, give me an Oberheim 8-voice SEM box controlled from
a CS-80. That instrument could caress like a feather or kill a
tyrannosaurus from a mile away...
As I've mentioned, I picked up a MIDIBoard and a Roland A-50 a while ago
to try and have a poly-aftertouch MIDI controller, but I'm still working
on restoring the A-50. How do we get Edirol (=Roland, who made the A-50
and A-80) or M-Audio to add this? Their MIDI/USB keyboards are getting
nicer all the time with more programmable knobs and sliders. How do we
convince them that there's a market (other than a few dozen of us here)?
David
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-12-16 by laurie
Quite frankly, I hated the feel of the m-Audio and edirol keyboards.....they have too much horizontal movement in the key bed and the sharp edges of them would shred the skin off your fingers if you were doing a gliss or a slide.....I have a SQ80 for poly pressure and whats not the same as a cs80s aftertouch is the speed the SQ80 takes to revert from pressure to no pressure(it is too slow on the on the return to no aftertouch)Now if Alesis could change the good channel aftertouch they have to poly after touch, not only would it benefit all of their keyboards since they all can receive poly aftertouch , but it would make all of the software that claim to have it as a modulator ,a bigger prize.....I think Alesis owes me a favour...... David Rogoff wrote: > Wavecomputer360 wrote: > > Hi Tim, hi Laurie, > > > > I think you hit the nail on the head... it´s the performance of the > > instrument, the way controls are laid out and the way the machine > responds > > to you as a player which makes the CS80 stand out. And this is why > all > > virtual emulations are pointless as the sum of it all makes it the > > instrument it is, not only the sound generation (which is rather > simple, > > compared with, say, and Oberheim Xpander and such). Like Peter > Forrest once > > said, other polysynths would wipe the floor with the CS80 when it > comes to > > modulation routings and such but the CS80 would blow them all away > when it > > comes to richness of sound and sheer performance power. > > > Most definitely! Once again, the great things about the CS-80, for > me, > are the feel and poly-aftertouch of the keyboard, the ribbon > (including > being able to sweep down to D.C.), the choice of sustain I & II (for > nice mono/sustained sounds on a poly-synth), the ring modulator, and > having all the performance knobs. I like the sound, but to me it's > not > the big deal. Now, give me an Oberheim 8-voice SEM box controlled > from > a CS-80. That instrument could caress like a feather or kill a > tyrannosaurus from a mile away... > > As I've mentioned, I picked up a MIDIBoard and a Roland A-50 a while > ago > to try and have a poly-aftertouch MIDI controller, but I'm still > working > on restoring the A-50. How do we get Edirol (=Roland, who made the > A-50 > and A-80) or M-Audio to add this? Their MIDI/USB keyboards are > getting > nicer all the time with more programmable knobs and sliders. How do > we > convince them that there's a market (other than a few dozen of us > here)? > > David > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > + Visit your group "yamahacs80" on the web. > > + To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > yamahacs80-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > + Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-12-16 by laurie
ribbon is pitch only matrix wrote: > What's interesting is the CS60 has a bit of this as well. When I > first got it I was a little dissapointed. It seemed a little > lackluster, until... I figured out how to play it. It comes alive > when you learn how to use the aftertouch and modulations. It's subtle > but amazing. I kept thinking of it like a violin; it sound like crap > if you just pick up a bow and try to play it without "playing it > right." But when you do play it, wow! It's still rather bizarre to > me. With a synth I expect that I can just press keys and be done. > Not with the CS60. I can't imagine what a CS80 would be like with > poly aftertouch and more synthesis power. Another amzing synth as > fars as keyboard control goes is the Roads Chroma. > > BTW, with the CS60 the ribbon controller only controls pitch. Is this > also the case with the CS80 or can you have it mod other things like > aftertouch. > > -matrix > http://www.matrixsynth.com/blog > ____________________________ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Rogoff > To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:02 PM > Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] What it is about the CS80 > > > Wavecomputer360 wrote: > > Hi Tim, hi Laurie, > > > > I think you hit the nail on the head... it´s the performance of > the > > instrument, the way controls are laid out and the way the machine > responds > > to you as a player which makes the CS80 stand out. And this is why > all > > virtual emulations are pointless as the sum of it all makes it the > > > instrument it is, not only the sound generation (which is rather > simple, > > compared with, say, and Oberheim Xpander and such). Like Peter > Forrest once > > said, other polysynths would wipe the floor with the CS80 when it > comes to > > modulation routings and such but the CS80 would blow them all away > when it > > comes to richness of sound and sheer performance power. > > > Most definitely! Once again, the great things about the CS-80, for > me, > are the feel and poly-aftertouch of the keyboard, the ribbon > (including > being able to sweep down to D.C.), the choice of sustain I & II (for > > nice mono/sustained sounds on a poly-synth), the ring modulator, and > > having all the performance knobs. I like the sound, but to me it's > not > the big deal. Now, give me an Oberheim 8-voice SEM box controlled > from > a CS-80. That instrument could caress like a feather or kill a > tyrannosaurus from a mile away... > > As I've mentioned, I picked up a MIDIBoard and a Roland A-50 a while > ago > to try and have a poly-aftertouch MIDI controller, but I'm still > working > on restoring the A-50. How do we get Edirol (=Roland, who made the > A-50 > and A-80) or M-Audio to add this? Their MIDI/USB keyboards are > getting > nicer all the time with more programmable knobs and sliders. How do > we > convince them that there's a market (other than a few dozen of us > here)? > > David > > > SPONSORED LINKS Music sampler Unit Synthesizer > Sampler > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "yamahacs80" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > yamahacs80-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > + Visit your group "yamahacs80" on the web. > > + To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > yamahacs80-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > + Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-12-16 by Max Fazio
"It's always a mix of things" said Paolo Conte ( an italian singer ) in one of his songs; well, even if I was fortunate to play one big CS-80 back in the first nineties I never had the chance of owning one because being not a pro and being not a technician I couldn't keep it in the shape it deserved to be , nor I have very short room for it to dedicate into my home. But I always dreamt of playing it again. I'm a Vangelisian since 16 years but wasn't this that persuaded me to love the instrument....the only link I see with the man and all the cs80 owners is the opinion that this machine can quickly be the natural extension of your fingers, there was a precise reason why some levers are backwards, or is there the ribbon instead of the usual wheel etc....the reason was *to let as much as possible the musician think to play music and not to loose time for achieveing a special technique or jazz like that*. The mix of things that make a CSwhatever sound different from synthesizers (which I refer to as a different category ) to me are: 1.. user interface, the best to record hands down 2.. the ability to change drastically a sound with very few passages ( get a bee buzzing out of a flute simply raising the brilliance, or a sci-fi effect in the mid of a classical part by moving a ringmodulator lever !!) 3.. Its touch response which still I'd like to understand ( * sorry David but I still have doubts , I listened again to the presets from a MIDI retrofitted CS-80 as commanded by an external sequencer, and they **DO** change their Attack Level and not Cutoff* ) Thx for your interest M
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Siefkes
To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:34 AM
Subject: [yamahacs80] What it is about the CS80
(I've been exchanging back and forth a little off the list with Max
about all of this too.) As I just said to Max yesterday, when I first
saw one of these beasts in a music store back in '79 it was simply the
most amazing thing I had ever played. I knew I had to have one, whatever
it took. The expressiveness, the control, the ability to simply lean
into a note to bring it out some, all the subtle nuances that can be
added. The sounds are great, but the best parts of the 80 are the
performance features. I too, Laurie, always felt as you do that this
instrument, more than any other I have owned/played feels more like an
extension of myself. There's an immediacy and a connection that just
doesn't appear in other instruments. I played mine in three rock bands
that travelled the US a lot, doing everything from The Beatles to
Ultravox and this synth was always well worth the effort to haul it around.
But of course, we're simply preaching to the choir here! :-)
-Tim S.
<Minneapolis>
laurie wrote:
> I play in a very loud Hard rock Group(.FIST.)My CS-80 has been an
> integral part of the band since the early eightys......touring and
> opening with bands such as Triumph/Molly
> Hatchet/Harlequin/Motorhead/Krokus...et all.... Aside from the 20 minute
> warm up, The CS-80 delivers one hell of a show every time....Zero
> latency....controllers on hand....poly aftertouch.....no midi
> lockup.....it is by far less work for me to have a CS-80 in my rig for
> me because there is no second guessing or pondering...It really becomes
> an extension of me... giving me the ability to express whatever pops
> into my head at any given time.....the Sound levels are consistently
> solid......its always in the monitors and always in the front......Where
> the alternatives to a real CS 80 fails is the 220 pounds of missing
> audio that never consistently shows up at the FOH position......Nothing
> can put out solid low end like a CS-80 can live....Sound men never have
> to search for it (its right there, driven by 48 volt circuitry all the
> way down to a half hertz...)with jbl 4530s for house lows, I have moved
> tables and chairs with the CS-80 cause it can deliver....Many pitchers
> of beer have foamed over but not from all the midi gak....its the
> CS-80......every time.............
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-12-16 by Jim Combs
--- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "matrix" <matrixsynth@h...> wrote: > > What's interesting is the CS60 has a bit of this as well. The CS-50 as well. I've had my CS-50 for about a year and a half, but only in the last month is it starting to click how best to use it and play it. I'm working on one piece that was pretty dense polyrhythmic sequencer stuff (Sequentix P3, Novation Nova, E-mu Morpheus) and I decided to add some old tones to the mix, specifically a Roland SH-3a and the CS-50. Nothing fancy, very simple 2 and 3 note chords on the CS-50, some subtle aftertouch brilliance, pretty standard CS sound. Omagod, the sound is monsterous. It is so rich and full. Even as a mono signal, it totally overtook the track (not bad given 24 tracks of other synths). I've had to pull it down in the mix about 24-30 db, where it now occupies a very distinct place, still pops out of the cacophany appropriately. But it taught me some key pieces of how this synth should be "played." -Jim www.touchxtone.com
2005-12-16 by Wavecomputer360
Hi Jim, yes, it\ufffds easy to dismiss all other smaller CS synths as complete pieces of garbage. Which is utter nonsense as the CS50 can sound so enormously huge and creamy, you wouldn\ufffdt believe if you just saw this vaguely home-organish look. Like Klaus Schulze once said "I used to have both a CS80 and a modular Moog onstage, and as soon as I turned to the CS80, the Big Moog was no longer audible". Which is true for all other CS synths of that era, too. BTW, anybody selling an SS-30? Stephen. ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It\ufffds out: "oughtibridge", the new [\ufffdramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [\ufffdramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England\ufffds Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Combs <jwcombs@...> To: <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: What it is about the CS80 > --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "matrix" <matrixsynth@h...> wrote: > > > > What's interesting is the CS60 has a bit of this as well. > > The CS-50 as well. I've had my CS-50 for about a year and a half, but > only in the last month is it starting to click how best to use it and > play it. > > I'm working on one piece that was pretty dense polyrhythmic sequencer > stuff (Sequentix P3, Novation Nova, E-mu Morpheus) and I decided to > add some old tones to the mix, specifically a Roland SH-3a and the CS-50. > > Nothing fancy, very simple 2 and 3 note chords on the CS-50, some > subtle aftertouch brilliance, pretty standard CS sound. > > Omagod, the sound is monsterous. It is so rich and full. Even as a > mono signal, it totally overtook the track (not bad given 24 tracks of > other synths). I've had to pull it down in the mix about 24-30 db, > where it now occupies a very distinct place, still pops out of the > cacophany appropriately. But it taught me some key pieces of how this > synth should be "played." > > -Jim > www.touchxtone.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
2005-12-17 by james devero
Its exactly 1:38 into the track of Missing (love theme) and like 3:08 I think on the same track.. In that way...its what I am and most of you are wired to respond to. I think Vangelis understood.I think various artists "get it" They don't just "play on an emotional level"...they become one with their emotional level...and then the music just floats out into the air...seemingly like one glorious note after another. I know when I hear it in my studio..because I feel it as much as I would "hear it" and I do think we all know when we do. I saw Santana once get into " this zone" for about 20 minutes... and I remember wanting to weep the whole way through. Voices can do that to all of us. But very few instruments can..... This is one of them. Wavecomputer360 <wavecomputer360@...> wrote: Hi Jim, yes, it´s easy to dismiss all other smaller CS synths as complete pieces of garbage. Which is utter nonsense as the CS50 can sound so enormously huge and creamy, you wouldn´t believe if you just saw this vaguely home-organish look. Like Klaus Schulze once said "I used to have both a CS80 and a modular Moog onstage, and as soon as I turned to the CS80, the Big Moog was no longer audible". Which is true for all other CS synths of that era, too. BTW, anybody selling an SS-30? Stephen. ____________________________________________________________________ "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid Android") "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet).
----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Combs To: Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: What it is about the CS80 > --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "matrix" wrote: > > > > What's interesting is the CS60 has a bit of this as well. > > The CS-50 as well. I've had my CS-50 for about a year and a half, but > only in the last month is it starting to click how best to use it and > play it. > > I'm working on one piece that was pretty dense polyrhythmic sequencer > stuff (Sequentix P3, Novation Nova, E-mu Morpheus) and I decided to > add some old tones to the mix, specifically a Roland SH-3a and the CS-50. > > Nothing fancy, very simple 2 and 3 note chords on the CS-50, some > subtle aftertouch brilliance, pretty standard CS sound. > > Omagod, the sound is monsterous. It is so rich and full. Even as a > mono signal, it totally overtook the track (not bad given 24 tracks of > other synths). I've had to pull it down in the mix about 24-30 db, > where it now occupies a very distinct place, still pops out of the > cacophany appropriately. But it taught me some key pieces of how this > synth should be "played." > > -Jim > www.touchxtone.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-12-17 by james devero
And note to Thorsten-
I sent the manual via USPS...filled it online
they picked it up..but then I got it back
saying that "not enough Postage"
I was like "great...then why did they pick it up? "
However the good news is that I used my
Fed Ex account.(It cost like $50 bucks..)
And it went out on Priority Express
Wedneday...so you'll have in a day or so...
Sorry...but they're are so many "add on's"
when you're going international...What seemed
to be a "good deal" from USPS...was in
fact a "really good deal"...too good for them to deliver! (laughs!)
So it'll be there shortly for ya.
Have a great Holidays everyone!
J D
james devero <j.devero@...> wrote:
Its exactly 1:38 into the track of Missing (love theme)
and like 3:08 I think on the same track..
In that way...its what I am and most of you are wired to respond to.
I think Vangelis understood.I think various artists "get it"
They don't just "play on an emotional level"...they become one
with their emotional level...and then the music just floats out
into the air...seemingly like one glorious note after another.
I know when I hear it in my studio..because I feel it as much
as I would "hear it" and I do think we all know when we do.
I saw Santana once get into " this zone" for about 20 minutes...
and I remember wanting to weep the whole way through.
Voices can do that to all of us.
But very few instruments can.....
This is one of them.
Wavecomputer360 <wavecomputer360@...> wrote:
Hi Jim,
yes, it´s easy to dismiss all other smaller CS synths as complete pieces of
garbage. Which is utter nonsense as the CS50 can sound so enormously huge
and creamy, you wouldn´t believe if you just saw this vaguely home-organish
look.
Like Klaus Schulze once said "I used to have both a CS80 and a modular Moog
onstage, and as soon as I turned to the CS80, the Big Moog was no longer
audible". Which is true for all other CS synths of that era, too.
BTW, anybody selling an SS-30?
Stephen.
____________________________________________________________________
"Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." (Thom Yorke/Radiohead -- "Paranoid
Android")
"Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005.
For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com
It´s out: "oughtibridge", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in England.
For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at
www.doombient.com
WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With
Wound, David Tibet).----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Combs To: Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: [yamahacs80] Re: What it is about the CS80 > --- In yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com, "matrix" wrote: > > > > What's interesting is the CS60 has a bit of this as well. > > The CS-50 as well. I've had my CS-50 for about a year and a half, but > only in the last month is it starting to click how best to use it and > play it. > > I'm working on one piece that was pretty dense polyrhythmic sequencer > stuff (Sequentix P3, Novation Nova, E-mu Morpheus) and I decided to > add some old tones to the mix, specifically a Roland SH-3a and the CS-50. > > Nothing fancy, very simple 2 and 3 note chords on the CS-50, some > subtle aftertouch brilliance, pretty standard CS sound. > > Omagod, the sound is monsterous. It is so rich and full. Even as a > mono signal, it totally overtook the track (not bad given 24 tracks of > other synths). I've had to pull it down in the mix about 24-30 db, > where it now occupies a very distinct place, still pops out of the > cacophany appropriately. But it taught me some key pieces of how this > synth should be "played." > > -Jim > www.touchxtone.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]