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Sound quality of CD's

Sound quality of CD's

2008-03-20 by steve_tebble

Hi Guys,

Has anyone else noticed, or is it just me, how, when you get hold of 
a new CD version of an album you've been listening to on vinyl for 
years, you start hearing little things you didn't know were there?

Now is it just because the CD can reproduce things the LP couldn't?

Or is it because someone tweaked it to make sure it could?

Or did those 'little things' gradually disappear from the vinyl as it 
wore out over time so you forgot them until the CD brought them back 
again?

Another strange thing.  If I listen to Days Of Future Passed on CD 
(digitally remastered, cat. no. 644 767-2, 1997) it sounds different 
from the original - and I mean really different, as if different 
mixes had been used on some of the tracks.  I have all the other 
Moodies 'core 7' in the same series but none of them do this.  Anyone 
want to comment?

Steve

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Sound quality of CD's

2008-03-20 by Hessel Herder

I think that the first LP issues used different stereo mixes and segues all
together!

Tony Clarke remixed the original four tracks in the early 70's.These
(re-)mixes are the ones which are now being used on CD.

 

You're right, they sound quite different.The LP version even has some parts
which have been omitted ( mistake ) in the remix!

Things like harmony vocals etc.

 

Cheers,H
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Hi Guys,

Has anyone else noticed, or is it just me, how, when you get hold of 
a new CD version of an album you've been listening to on vinyl for 
years, you start hearing little things you didn't know were there?

Now is it just because the CD can reproduce things the LP couldn't?

Or is it because someone tweaked it to make sure it could?

Or did those 'little things' gradually disappear from the vinyl as it 
wore out over time so you forgot them until the CD brought them back 
again?

Another strange thing. If I listen to Days Of Future Passed on CD 
(digitally remastered, cat. no. 644 767-2, 1997) it sounds different 
from the original - and I mean really different, as if different 
mixes had been used on some of the tracks. I have all the other 
Moodies 'core 7' in the same series but none of them do this. Anyone 
want to comment?

Steve

Days of Future Passed mixes

2008-03-20 by Steve

from Wikipedia (i'd read this elsewhere several years ago):

In 1978 the album was remixed due to deterioration of the master 
tapes. The original 1967 stereo mix, which is generally considered 
superior by fans, has never seen a CD release. All CD versions, even 
remasters, use the later mix. However, the 1990 greatest hits 
package "The Story Of The Moody Blues/Legend Of A Band" CD 
compilation, seems to contain the original mix of "Nights In White 
Satin".

The ways in which the later mix departs most noticeably from the 
original are:

After the orchestral intro, "Dawn Is A Feeling" begins more abruptly, 
and there is less echo on Mike Pinder's vocal on the bridge, making 
it stick out. 
The orchestral intro "Lunch Break" goes on about 20 seconds longer 
before fading out. 
The transition from the band to the orchestra in "Forever Afternoon" 
is cleaner, making it almost seem as if one flute is playing 
throughout. 
The bridges to "Time To Get Away" have John Lodge singing alone; all 
the backing vocals on that part have been lost. Also, at the end of 
the piece, the words "Evening, Time to Get Away" are repeated only 
twice where they were repeated three times on the original mix, and 
the mellotron overdub, which was essentially the same as the one in 
the middle section, is absent. (In the quad mix, the mellotron is 
also missing from the middle section.) 
The piano in the instrumental sections of "Sunset" is gone. Also, the 
reverb on the last word ("Through the night") is very different. 
The backing vocals on "Twilight Time" are heard through the entire 
song instead of only coming in at strategic points. 
After the :13 orchestral prelude to "Night In White Satin", the 
rhythm section (Moody's instruments) comes in right on time and in 
step, following the correct meter of the orchestra. This seems to 
correct the seemingly "off-step" segue of the two pieces on the 
original mix. 
There seems to be a noise-reduction filter overlaying the rhythm 
section of the original mix, resulting in a more murky, ghostly sound 
quality. 
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also, if you have a cassette copy from the 80's "Peak Hour" is almost 
twice as long (a goodly section of the tune is repeated).

i like the newer mix as it cleaner but the original mix, overall, is 
my fave.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Days of Future Passed mixes

2008-03-21 by john barrick

If I recall correctly, Tony Clarke related this story (in far less 
exacting detail in the forum section of the Mike Pinder web site) about 
the deterioration of the original master and how they lost the backing 
vocals because he apparently didn't have any alternate elements to work 
with.  I believe this was done before '78 though - possibly for the quad 
mix.
johnb


Steve wrote:
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>
> from Wikipedia (i'd read this elsewhere several years ago):
>
> In 1978 the album was remixed due to deterioration of the master
> tapes. The original 1967 stereo mix, which is generally considered
> superior by fans, has never seen a CD release. All CD versions, even
> remasters, use the later mix. However, the 1990 greatest hits
> package "The Story Of The Moody Blues/Legend Of A Band" CD
> compilation, seems to contain the original mix of "Nights In White
> Satin".
>
> The bridges to "Time To Get Away" have John Lodge singing alone; all
> the backing vocals on that part have been lost. Also, at the end of
> the piece, the words "Evening, Time to Get Away" are repeated only
> twice where they were repeated three times on the original mix, and
> the mellotron overdub, which was essentially the same as the one in
> the middle section, is absent. (In the quad mix, the mellotron is
> also missing from the middle section.)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Days of Future Passed mixes

2008-03-21 by Bruce Daily

Recording/mastering trivia fascinates me.  After
reading these posts, I grabbed the "Voices in the Sky"
hits disc.  I hadn't heard it in a while, and noticed
how similar the stereo "Nights" was to the mono
version on the SACD extras disc.  It's interesting
that the "Voices" version (an 80's disc) had a 
slightly clearer, firmer sound.  Both these versions
are w/o the orchestra.  Now I gotta seek out the
"Legend of a Band" disc, & check out the differences.

   If you can get the "This Is the Moody Blues" set,
you will find the mixes are quite different.  I think
I read somewhere that these tracks were remixed in
stereo(from the multitracks) during the same sessions
that turned out the quad mixes.  These stereo mixes
have a smooth, almost glassy quality.  To my ears they
are very different from the 80's CDs, or the new CD
and SACD remasters.  Fun stuff.

   -Bruce D.

   


--- john barrick <astroboy@cinci.rr.com> wrote:

> If I recall correctly, Tony Clarke related this
> story (in far less 
> exacting detail in the forum section of the Mike
> Pinder web site) about 
> the deterioration of the original master and how
> they lost the backing 
> vocals because he apparently didn't have any
> alternate elements to work 
> with.  I believe this was done before '78 though -
> possibly for the quad 
> mix.
> johnb
> 
> 
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > from Wikipedia (i'd read this elsewhere several
> years ago):
> >
> > In 1978 the album was remixed due to deterioration
> of the master
> > tapes. The original 1967 stereo mix, which is
> generally considered
> > superior by fans, has never seen a CD release. All
> CD versions, even
> > remasters, use the later mix. However, the 1990
> greatest hits
> > package "The Story Of The Moody Blues/Legend Of A
> Band" CD
> > compilation, seems to contain the original mix of
> "Nights In White
> > Satin".
> >
> > The bridges to "Time To Get Away" have John Lodge
> singing alone; all
> > the backing vocals on that part have been lost.
> Also, at the end of
> > the piece, the words "Evening, Time to Get Away"
> are repeated only
> > twice where they were repeated three times on the
> original mix, and
> > the mellotron overdub, which was essentially the
> same as the one in
> > the middle section, is absent. (In the quad mix,
> the mellotron is
> > also missing from the middle section.)
> >
> 
> 




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