Digital BW, The Print

Hello all,

I'am just about to have a go with the UT-3D inkset with a few 
printers and just wanted to check I've got the basic grasp of things 
before I start.

Initially I'll try them in the R220 and was wondering if my choice 
of ink is correct:

Eboni
C
LC
M
LM
Y

then when I go to the R1800 and R2400 I will use the LK and the LLK 
inks also.

I haven't seen much conversation regarding the R1800, is it a wise 
choice for a printer or is it likely to be problematic; I can see 
plenty of info on the R2400 but I'd prefer to leave that for colour 
work at the moment if the R1800 is up to the job.

Any opinions on my choices would be greatly appreciated,

Jamie Creed

Hi Jamie,

I guess depends how you are going to drive them, via the Epson 
driver or with a RIP?

I use UT3D on the 2100 (7 inks) with QTR. I have the same ink setup 
as you decribe plus the UT3D LK toner. However, that LK toner is 
actually idle since QTR (or another RIP) doesn't use/need it. It's 
only there to make the ink set compliant with the Epson driver.

Joost


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Creed" 
<icucjamie@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> 
> I'am just about to have a go with the UT-3D inkset with a few 
> printers and just wanted to check I've got the basic grasp of 
things 
> before I start.
> 
> Initially I'll try them in the R220 and was wondering if my choice 
> of ink is correct:
> 
> Eboni
> C
> LC
> M
> LM
> Y
> 
> then when I go to the R1800 and R2400 I will use the LK and the 
LLK 
> inks also.
> 
> I haven't seen much conversation regarding the R1800, is it a wise 
> choice for a printer or is it likely to be problematic; I can see 
> plenty of info on the R2400 but I'd prefer to leave that for 
colour 

> work at the moment if the R1800 is up to the job.
> 
> Any opinions on my choices would be greatly appreciated,
> 
> Jamie Creed
>

Jamie,

>I'am just about to have a go with the UT-3D inkset 
>with a few printers and just wanted to check I've got 
>the basic grasp of things before I start.

Be sure to check out my write-up at 
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Readme.pdf

>... when I go to the R1800 and R2400 I will use the 
> LK and the LLK inks also.

I have not set up an 1800.  It is such a different printer that I doubt the
UT-3D will work in its current configuration.

>I haven't seen much conversation regarding the R1800, ...

There are some people on the forum using it, but not with the 3D inkset.

Good luck with your B&W.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Hi Joost,

thanks for the reply, guess I should have given a bit more info; I 
intend to be using QTR and an X-Rite Pulse Spectro.

I'm curious about your mention of the LK ink being idle when using 
QTR (have you produced your own curves for UT-3D with QTR?)

Jamie

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> Hi Jamie,

> I guess depends how you are going to drive them, via the Epson 
> driver or with a RIP?

> I use UT3D on the 2100 (7 inks) with QTR. I have the same ink 
setup 
> as you decribe plus the UT3D LK toner. However, that LK toner is 
> actually idle since QTR (or another RIP) doesn't use/need it. It's 
> only there to make the ink set compliant with the Epson driver.

> Joost

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> > Hello all,

> > I'am just about to have a go with the UT-3D inkset with a few 
> > printers and just wanted to check I've got the basic grasp of 
> things 
> > before I start.

> > Initially I'll try them in the R220 and was wondering if my 
choice 
> > of ink is correct:

> > Eboni
> > C
> > LC
> > M
> > LM
> > Y

> > then when I go to the R1800 and R2400 I will use the LK and the 
> LLK 
> > inks also.

> > I haven't seen much conversation regarding the R1800, is it a 
wise 
> > choice for a printer or is it likely to be problematic; I can 
see 

> > plenty of info on the R2400 but I'd prefer to leave that for 
> colour 
> > work at the moment if the R1800 is up to the job.

> > Any opinions on my choices would be greatly appreciated,

> > Jamie Creed

Paul,

thank you so much for sharing your work, I've been following your 
expertise for severeal years now over here in the UK, and it's your 
write-up on UT-3D that's got me all fired up again.

What ink configurations are people using with the R1800 - perhaps 
UT7 or a custom mix? (by the way, I'm quite happy using QTR and an X-
Rite Spectro,) I take it that with the R2400, UT-3D works OK?

cheers Paul,

Jamie.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> Jamie,
> 
> >I'am just about to have a go with the UT-3D inkset 
> >with a few printers and just wanted to check I've got 
> >the basic grasp of things before I start.
> 
> Be sure to check out my write-up at 
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT-3D_Readme.pdf
> 
> >... when I go to the R1800 and R2400 I will use the 
> > LK and the LLK inks also.
> 
> I have not set up an 1800.  It is such a different printer that I 
doubt the
> UT-3D will work in its current configuration.
> 
> >I haven't seen much conversation regarding the R1800, ...
> 
> There are some people on the forum using it, but not with the 3D 
inkset.

> 
> Good luck with your B&W.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Jamie,

> ... your write-up on UT-3D that's got me all fired up again.

I'd become discouraged about the UT-3D inkset with all the production and
profiling disappointments.  But, now it looks like it might finally realize
the potential I was aiming at.  The MIS production batch I received a couple
of weeks ago was good, and now with ColorVision's software apparently able
to profile the inkset, it's really got me excited about it again also.  The
thought of a dedicated B&W inkset that can be manipulated like a color
inkset might be very interesting indeed.  I'll be testing the latest
PrintFIXPro software with it as soon as I can.  (It's downloading as I write
this.)

>What ink configurations are people using with the R1800 -
> perhaps UT7 or a custom mix?

The 1800 is different than the printers I've worked on.  So, it really needs
a different approach to optimize it.  I think Cone has a monotone for it,
but, as is obvious, I'm not a fan of inflexible inksets.  Right now I have
not recommendation for it.

> I take it that with the R2400, UT-3D works OK?

Yes, although it'll be interesting to see how the K3 with Y=EZW compares to
the 3D in terms of quality and flexibility.  I had originally thought of the
3D inkset as for 6 and 7 ink printers.  The 2400 was just sort of tacked on.
It works fine with it, but it remains to be seen whether that is the optimum
B&W use of that machine.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Paul,

I've had a slight rethink with regards to my choice of inks for the 
R220 that I hope to be setting up this weekend with UT-3D, i'd 
really appreciate your opinion on my choice of inks:

C
LC
M
LM
Y
LK

I was thinking that maybe the use of the dual gray approach with the 
Toners might give me sufficient dmax, the LK would help with my 
highlight smoothness and the Y will let me play around with the Lab 
a* axis.

Jamie.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> Jamie,
> 
> > ... your write-up on UT-3D that's got me all fired up again.
> 
> I'd become discouraged about the UT-3D inkset with all the 
production and profiling disappointments.  But, now it looks like it 
might finally realize the potential I was aiming at.  The MIS 
production batch I received a couple of weeks ago was good, and now 
with ColorVision's software apparently able to profile the inkset, 
it's really got me excited about it again also.  The thought of a 
dedicated B&W inkset that can be manipulated like a color inkset 
might be very interesting indeed.  I'll be testing the latest 
PrintFIXPro software with it as soon as I can. (It's downloading as 
I write this.)
> 
> >What ink configurations are people using with the R1800 -
> > perhaps UT7 or a custom mix?
> 
> The 1800 is different than the printers I've worked on.  So, it 
really needs a different approach to optimize it.  I think Cone has 
a monotone for it, but, as is obvious, I'm not a fan of inflexible 
inksets.  Right now I have not recommendation for it.
> 
> > I take it that with the R2400, UT-3D works OK?
> 
> Yes, although it'll be interesting to see how the K3 with Y=EZW 
compares to the 3D in terms of quality and flexibility.  I had 
originally thought of the 3D inkset as for 6 and 7 ink printers.  
The 2400 was just sort of tacked on. It works fine with it, but it 
remains to be seen whether that is the optimum B&W use of that 
machine.

> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>