Digital BW, The Print

I am trying to budget for a project that will entail making around 
30,000 unique 8x10 b+w ink jet prints. I need to estimate the number 
of 
cartridges I might need to buy. I have not chosen a printer yet but 
the Epson 4000 is one that is under consideration. Speed is somewhat 
of a factor.

Do any of you know how many 8x10 b+W prints I might get, at a medium 
quality setting like 720 dpi, on photo quality ink-jet paper, for 
each black ink cartridge for the Epson 4000?

Do you have any suggestions for other printers to consider? A decent 
printer that is relatively fast at the settings I described, and for 
which there are continuous inking systems available, would be of 
interest to me. [The Epson 4000 does not seem to have any 3rd party 
continuous inking systems--does it?]. I would consider an A4 printer 
but it would be nice to have the option to print to 13" width.

Thanks,

William

WOW...30K prints! That will take over 2 months at 8 hours a day at 7 
days a week to complete with an inkjet!

Greg Lockrey

Wealth is a state of mind.
Money is just a tool.
Happiness is pedaling + 25 mph on a smooth road.

http://pages.prodigy.net/glockrey


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William Real" 
<realw@c...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I am trying to budget for a project that will entail making around 
> 30,000 unique 8x10 b+w ink jet prints. I need to estimate the 
number 
> of 
> cartridges I might need to buy. I have not chosen a printer yet 
but 
> the Epson 4000 is one that is under consideration. Speed is 
somewhat 
> of a factor.
> 
> Do any of you know how many 8x10 b+W prints I might get, at a 
medium 
> quality setting like 720 dpi, on photo quality ink-jet paper, for 
> each black ink cartridge for the Epson 4000?
> 
> Do you have any suggestions for other printers to consider? A 
decent 
> printer that is relatively fast at the settings I described, and 
for 
> which there are continuous inking systems available, would be of 
> interest to me. [The Epson 4000 does not seem to have any 3rd 
party 
> continuous inking systems--does it?]. I would consider an A4 
printer 

> but it would be nice to have the option to print to 13" width.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> William

You may wish to consider the Epson 2200.  It is very widely 
supported, does a great job on B&W, has lots of inksets to choose 
from, takes 13 inch wide sheet or roll stock, and can be used with 
various RIPs (IJC/OPM, QTR, ImagePrint, etc) or with Quad inksets and 
Photoshop curves.  Not exactly lightning fast however.  

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William Real" 
<realw@c...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I am trying to budget for a project that will entail making around 
> 30,000 unique 8x10 b+w ink jet prints. I need to estimate the 
number 
> of 
> cartridges I might need to buy. I have not chosen a printer yet but 
> the Epson 4000 is one that is under consideration. Speed is 
somewhat 
> of a factor.
> 
> Do any of you know how many 8x10 b+W prints I might get, at a 
medium 
> quality setting like 720 dpi, on photo quality ink-jet paper, for 
> each black ink cartridge for the Epson 4000?
> 
> Do you have any suggestions for other printers to consider? A 
decent 
> printer that is relatively fast at the settings I described, and 
for 
> which there are continuous inking systems available, would be of 
> interest to me. [The Epson 4000 does not seem to have any 3rd party 
> continuous inking systems--does it?]. I would consider an A4 
printer 

> but it would be nice to have the option to print to 13" width.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> William

You will roughly use about 115- 220 ml cartridges also. 

Greg Lockrey

Wealth is a state of mind.
Money is just a tool.
Happiness is pedaling + 25 mph on a smooth road.

http://pages.prodigy.net/glockrey



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William Real" 
<realw@c...> wrote:
> 
> 
> I am trying to budget for a project that will entail making around 
> 30,000 unique 8x10 b+w ink jet prints. I need to estimate the 
number 
> of 
> cartridges I might need to buy. I have not chosen a printer yet 
but 
> the Epson 4000 is one that is under consideration. Speed is 
somewhat 
> of a factor.
> 
> Do any of you know how many 8x10 b+W prints I might get, at a 
medium 
> quality setting like 720 dpi, on photo quality ink-jet paper, for 
> each black ink cartridge for the Epson 4000?
> 
> Do you have any suggestions for other printers to consider? A 
decent 
> printer that is relatively fast at the settings I described, and 
for 
> which there are continuous inking systems available, would be of 
> interest to me. [The Epson 4000 does not seem to have any 3rd 
party 
> continuous inking systems--does it?]. I would consider an A4 
printer 

> but it would be nice to have the option to print to 13" width.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> William

And it will take over 2 months to prints running 8 hour days 7 days 
per week.

Greg Lockrey

Wealth is a state of mind.
Money is just a tool.
Happiness is pedaling + 25 mph on a smooth road.

http://pages.prodigy.net/glockrey


-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "spineasy" 
<spineasy@y...> wrote:
> 
> You will roughly use about 115- 220 ml cartridges also. 
> 
> Greg Lockrey
> 
> Wealth is a state of mind.
> Money is just a tool.
> Happiness is pedaling + 25 mph on a smooth road.
> 
> http://pages.prodigy.net/glockrey
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William 
Real" 
> <realw@c...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I am trying to budget for a project that will entail making 
around 
> > 30,000 unique 8x10 b+w ink jet prints. I need to estimate the 
> number 
> > of 
> > cartridges I might need to buy. I have not chosen a printer yet 
> but 
> > the Epson 4000 is one that is under consideration. Speed is 
> somewhat 
> > of a factor.
> > 
> > Do any of you know how many 8x10 b+W prints I might get, at a 
> medium 
> > quality setting like 720 dpi, on photo quality ink-jet paper, 
for 

> > each black ink cartridge for the Epson 4000?
> > 
> > Do you have any suggestions for other printers to consider? A 
> decent 
> > printer that is relatively fast at the settings I described, and 
> for 
> > which there are continuous inking systems available, would be of 
> > interest to me. [The Epson 4000 does not seem to have any 3rd 
> party 
> > continuous inking systems--does it?]. I would consider an A4 
> printer 
> > but it would be nice to have the option to print to 13" width.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > William

You might want to consider a x600. The reason would be paper transport. 
You'll wear out the rollers on the desktop machines several times in 
30000 sheets I would think. The x600s are designed for the duty, and 
have good roll handling. Use a RIP, print five at a time across a 44" 
roll, cut them apart with a rotatrim.

If speed is really a factor, then definitely look at the x600s. Faster 
still will be the Canon and HP printers.

--
Bruce Watson


William Real wrote:

>
>
> I am trying to budget for a project that will entail making around
> 30,000 unique 8x10 b+w ink jet prints. I need to estimate the number
> of
> cartridges I might need to buy. I have not chosen a printer yet but
> the Epson 4000 is one that is under consideration. Speed is somewhat
> of a factor.
>
> Do any of you know how many 8x10 b+W prints I might get, at a medium
> quality setting like 720 dpi, on photo quality ink-jet paper, for
> each black ink cartridge for the Epson 4000?
>
> Do you have any suggestions for other printers to consider? A decent
> printer that is relatively fast at the settings I described, and for
> which there are continuous inking systems available, would be of
> interest to me. [The Epson 4000 does not seem to have any 3rd party
> continuous inking systems--does it?]. I would consider an A4 printer
> but it would be nice to have the option to print to 13" width.
>
> Thanks,
>
> William
>

The most I've ever done was 1,000.00 13x19's on a 10K printer which is very fast 
compared to most of those printers. Even that took me a long time when you consider all 
the trimming involved without damaging the prints. I wouldn't do it on my 9600 unless 
they bought me three printers to do it on.  Only the 4000 is the same aprox speed but 
much narrower of course. The only way I would dream of a job like that is using a 44" 
printer and ganging them up on as large a canvas as possible. Of course you'll need a 
good paper cutter to cut them apart. Hope your not gonna spay em......

John




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "spineasy" <spineasy@y...> 
wrote:

> 
> And it will take over 2 months to prints running 8 hour days 7 days 
> per week.
> 
> Greg Lockrey
> 
> Wealth is a state of mind.
> Money is just a tool.
> Happiness is pedaling + 25 mph on a smooth road.
> 
> http://pages.prodigy.net/glockrey
> 
> 
> -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "spineasy" 
> <spineasy@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > You will roughly use about 115- 220 ml cartridges also. 
> > 
> > Greg Lockrey
> > 
> > Wealth is a state of mind.
> > Money is just a tool.
> > Happiness is pedaling + 25 mph on a smooth road.
> > 
> > http://pages.prodigy.net/glockrey
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William 
> Real" 
> > <realw@c...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I am trying to budget for a project that will entail making 
> around 
> > > 30,000 unique 8x10 b+w ink jet prints. I need to estimate the 
> > number 
> > > of 
> > > cartridges I might need to buy. I have not chosen a printer yet 
> > but 
> > > the Epson 4000 is one that is under consideration. Speed is 
> > somewhat 
> > > of a factor.
> > > 
> > > Do any of you know how many 8x10 b+W prints I might get, at a 
> > medium 
> > > quality setting like 720 dpi, on photo quality ink-jet paper, 
> for 
> > > each black ink cartridge for the Epson 4000?
> > > 
> > > Do you have any suggestions for other printers to consider? A 
> > decent 
> > > printer that is relatively fast at the settings I described, and 
> > for 
> > > which there are continuous inking systems available, would be of 
> > > interest to me. [The Epson 4000 does not seem to have any 3rd 
> > party 
> > > continuous inking systems--does it?]. I would consider an A4 
> > printer 
> > > but it would be nice to have the option to print to 13" width.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > William

Thanks to everyone for the information, very helpful.

William

> WOW...30K prints! That will take over 2 months at 8 hours a day at 7 
> days a week to complete with an inkjet!

fortunately they do not all have to be done at once--over a two year
period, a little bit at a time...

"William Real" <realw@c...> wrote:
 
> > WOW...30K prints! That will take over 2 months at 8 hours a day at 7 
> > days a week to complete with an inkjet!
> 
> fortunately they do not all have to be done at once--over a two year
> period, a little bit at a time...

Smiling.  If you print 250 days a year, that's still 60 unique prints
a day.  That's a lot of work.  

Even the desktop printers can do 60 prints a day, but I have never
done 60 unique, new prints a day.  More like a week.  A lot of my work
on a new print is image optimization, and you may not have to deal
with that.  You may get a really standard workflow, with standard
image adjustments that take very little time.  At best, I figure a
couple of waste prints per final print, so you might want to figure
that in as well.

I get about 750 sq inches per cartridge on a 2200, printing color.  I
figure about 11 ml used per 2200 cart.  If you use the desktop
printers, you will use up some color carts from cleaning cycles.  So
that would be over 3000 black carts to do your job on the 2200, and an
unknown number of color carts.

If you use a 2200, you'll probably want a CIS.  You can use the same
sq in to ml ratio to figure ink usage, but the different CIS systems
have chip resetting schemes that can alter ink usage quite a bit, due
to number of cleaning cycles.

As someone mentioned, you'll probably wear out a few of the desktop
printers, so figure on buying a few of them, or start with one of the
pro models.

Do you really mean 30,000 INDIVIDUAL images?  Or do you mean many
prints from each image? How large do you want to print? 

If you scan finished master prints you shouldn't need ANY post
processing of individual images. 

If you're determined to do this digitally you've probably already
looked into Qimage software.  

IF you plan hundreds of prints of each image and would like get the
project done quickly, it would be faster and probably cheaper (labor
$$) to make  make master copy FILM negatives, gang print them on rolls
of real (sorry..."silver") photo paper, wet process in a roller
transport paper processor. Specialty photolabs have done this for
decades, 24/7, for press kits and gallery sales...some are capable of
excellent "art-quality" work. 



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "William Real"
<realw@c...> wrote:

> 
> 
> > WOW...30K prints! That will take over 2 months at 8 hours a day at 7 
> > days a week to complete with an inkjet!
> 
> fortunately they do not all have to be done at once--over a two year
> period, a little bit at a time...