Digital BW, The Print

Hello,
I mostly print on EAM, however when I choose Archival Matte in the
paper settigns of the driver, I only can choose up to 1440 dpi. At
1440 however I can see something like "printing lines" from closer
distance, mainly in the lighter tones. At 2880 this is not visible,
however I have to choose semigloss paper setting.

Is there a workaround for this?

Thanks, Bernie

The simplest workaround seems to be ignoring that the actual paper you
are using and the paper your printer thinks you are using are different. 

Consider the same as the constant warnings to use only Epson ink. 

Bob Michaels 

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie Ess"
<albatros-@g...> wrote:

> Hello,
> I mostly print on EAM, however when I choose Archival Matte in the
> paper settigns of the driver, I only can choose up to 1440 dpi. At
> 1440 however I can see something like "printing lines" from closer
> distance, mainly in the lighter tones. At 2880 this is not visible,
> however I have to choose semigloss paper setting.
> 
> Is there a workaround for this?
> 
> Thanks, Bernie

Except that a different paper will imply a different overall ink load.  1440
for matt paper should be more than adequate.

> From: Bob Michaels <bob@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:38:47 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 2100 - EAM at 2880dpi?
> 
> The simplest workaround seems to be ignoring that the actual paper you
> are using and the paper your printer thinks you are using are different.
> 
> Consider the same as the constant warnings to use only Epson ink.
> 
> Bob Michaels 
>

Steve, I agree. I find I can't tell the difference between 1440 & 2880
on my 1280 unless using a good loupe. But some say they can with their
printers so I just accept that. I do also see slight variances in the
ink load from some paper profiles. I should have added that one can
pick the paper profile they think makes their prints look best. After
trying most of them, I went back to the HWM setting (no EEM on 1280). 

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> 
> Except that a different paper will imply a different overall ink
load.  1440
> for matt paper should be more than adequate.
> 
> > From: Bob Michaels <bob@b...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:38:47 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 2100 - EAM at 2880dpi?
> > 
> > The simplest workaround seems to be ignoring that the actual paper you
> > are using and the paper your printer thinks you are using are
different.

> > 
> > Consider the same as the constant warnings to use only Epson ink.
> > 
> > Bob Michaels 
> >

> From: Bernie Ess [mailto:albatros-@...]
>
> I mostly print on EAM, however when I choose Archival Matte in the
> paper settigns of the driver, I only can choose up to 1440 dpi. At
> 1440 however I can see something like "printing lines" from closer
> distance, mainly in the lighter tones. At 2880 this is not visible,
> however I have to choose semigloss paper setting.

Is that an old driver? My 2200 Windows driver lets me print 2880 on matte.

As to seeing lines, you may have a nozzle that has a bit of paper dust fuzz
on it that's deflecting the ink. A manual head cleaning with an ammoniated
cleaner like Windex may help.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. DeRocco" 
> Is that an old driver? My 2200 Windows driver lets me print 2880 on
matte.

Well the last one that is available for the 2100 (not 2200) - the 2200
driver does not recognize the 2100 printer. I tried it.
 
> As to seeing lines, you may have a nozzle that has a bit of paper
dust fuzz
> on it that's deflecting the ink. A manual head cleaning with an
ammoniated

Thanks, yes maybe I check again, but I thought the nozzle pattern was
perfect...

regards, Bernie

This is weird the present 2200 driver certainly does indeed support 
2880 (you do mean using matt Black??).

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bernie Ess" 
<albatros-@g...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. 
DeRocco" 
> > Is that an old driver? My 2200 Windows driver lets me print 2880 
on
> matte.
> 
> Well the last one that is available for the 2100 (not 2200) - the 
2200
> driver does not recognize the 2100 printer. I tried it.
>  
> > As to seeing lines, you may have a nozzle that has a bit of paper
> dust fuzz
> > on it that's deflecting the ink. A manual head cleaning with an
> ammoniated
> 
> Thanks, yes maybe I check again, but I thought the nozzle pattern 
was

> perfect...
> 
> regards, Bernie

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "johnglodge"
<john.lodge@s...> wrote:
> This is weird the present 2200 driver certainly does indeed support 
> 2880 (you do mean using matt Black??).

Yes with matte Black - thats what the CFS came with - EBony black... 

Unfortunately  it seams that the 2100 and 2200 drivers are different.
On the 2200 driver, can you - in the driver options - select wich
black cart you have installed? On the 2100 the option is visible but
greyed out. THe privers selects what the chip tells it. 
On the other hand with the photoblack installed there is no EAM paper
selectable.

regards, Bernie

The OS-X 2100 driver auto detects the black cartridge chip and displays
paper options for that cartridge.  It constrains matt paper printing to
1440dpi.  This is not the only difference between the two drivers.  For
example, it will not print Black Only with the PK cartridge - it will use
all the colour inks.  I have spoken to Epson Tech Support in the UK and they
were completely unaware of the issue.  They said they would take a look at
it but I never heard back.  Give them a call and give them a hard time.
There is no excuse for the sloppy 2100 driver.  Alternatively I believe
Daniel Staver got the 2200 driver to work with the 2100.

> From: Bernie Ess <albatros-@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:05:39 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 2100 - EAM at 2880dpi?
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "johnglodge"
> <john.lodge@s...> wrote:
>> This is weird the present 2200 driver certainly does indeed support
>> 2880 (you do mean using matt Black??).
> 
> Yes with matte Black - thats what the CFS came with - EBony black...
> 
> Unfortunately  it seams that the 2100 and 2200 drivers are different.
> On the 2200 driver, can you - in the driver options - select wich
> black cart you have installed? On the 2100 the option is visible but
> greyed out. THe privers selects what the chip tells it.
> On the other hand with the photoblack installed there is no EAM paper
> selectable.
> 
> regards, Bernie
>

> Alternatively I believe Daniel Staver got the 2200 driver to work
> with the 2100.

Correct. It wouldn't autodetect the printer, but I went ahead and
installed the driver anyway. I think I had to manually select the right
printer port after installation. It solved the problem of not being able
to print BO at 2880 with the PK cartridge, but other than that the
output of the two drivers seemed identical.

This was on Windows XP. I'm not sure if it would also work on OS-X.

--
Daniel Staver
http://daniel.staver.no

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Staver
<daniel@p...> wrote:
> Correct. It wouldn't autodetect the printer, but I went ahead and
> installed the driver anyway. I think I had to manually select the right
> printer port after installation. It solved the problem of not being able
> to print BO at 2880 with the PK cartridge, but other than that the
> output of the two drivers seemed identical.

Thank you, I will try it out as well - I am on Win XP, if I dont get
it to work I will ask again....

Bernie

Well actually you will not get black with black only; there is a 
colour caste in the blacks.

Black as printed in NCA is printed in 3 parts
--the darkest by black
--mid by light black
--the highlights by CYM

all have different hues.

The grey line R=G=B is not grey and the actual grey trajectory 
twists around the grey line.

I understand it is much better with the 4000.

This makes good black really hard and makes colour not that easy 
either.

What looks like metamerism is actually slighly off colours that are 
accentuated in different light.

QTR does a really good job of black and white and does so by using 
colours with the blacks if you read the profile documentation 
carefully.

Or in other words the sloppyness goes far beyond what you imagine.

If you want to see more, internet search on "color warbles" to find 
for an interesting article by Bill Atkinson.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> 
> The OS-X 2100 driver auto detects the black cartridge chip and 
displays
> paper options for that cartridge.  It constrains matt paper 
printing to
> 1440dpi.  This is not the only difference between the two 
drivers.  For
> example, it will not print Black Only with the PK cartridge - it 
will use
> all the colour inks.  I have spoken to Epson Tech Support in the 
UK and they
> were completely unaware of the issue.  They said they would take a 
look at
> it but I never heard back.  Give them a call and give them a hard 
time.
> There is no excuse for the sloppy 2100 driver.  Alternatively I 
believe
> Daniel Staver got the 2200 driver to work with the 2100.
> 
> > From: Bernie Ess <albatros-@...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 09:05:39 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 2100 - EAM at 2880dpi?
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "johnglodge"
> > <john.lodge@s...> wrote:
> >> This is weird the present 2200 driver certainly does indeed 
support
> >> 2880 (you do mean using matt Black??).
> > 
> > Yes with matte Black - thats what the CFS came with - EBony 
black...
> > 
> > Unfortunately  it seams that the 2100 and 2200 drivers are 
different.
> > On the 2200 driver, can you - in the driver options - select wich
> > black cart you have installed? On the 2100 the option is visible 
but
> > greyed out. THe privers selects what the chip tells it.
> > On the other hand with the photoblack installed there is no EAM 
paper

> > selectable.
> > 
> > regards, Bernie
> >

I think you will find that with the MK cartridge installed, selecting Black
instead of colour in the Ink setting will achieve a "Black Only workflow"
and that only the MK cartridge is used.  (NCA is not relevant to this
discussion.) This is not the case with the PK cartridge, contrary to the
behaviour of the 2200 driver which will again only use the PK cartridge when
Black is selected.

However, getting back to the point at hand, I just retested my OS-X 2100
driver - I have an MIS CFS installed with an MK chip for the black slot
(with Eboni ink).  I can select 2880dpi for Archival Matt paper.  I am not
sure whether this is because of the MIS chip but would be surprised if that
were the case.  I am using the latest driver from Epson UK's Tech Support
page.

> From: johnglodge <john.lodge@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:10:02 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 2100 - EAM at 2880dpi?
> 
> Well actually you will not get black with black only; there is a
> colour caste in the blacks.
> 
> Black as printed in NCA is printed in 3 parts
> --the darkest by black
> --mid by light black
> --the highlights by CYM
> 
> all have different hues.
> 
> The grey line R=G=B is not grey and the actual grey trajectory
> twists around the grey line.
> 
> I understand it is much better with the 4000.
> 
> This makes good black really hard and makes colour not that easy
> either.
> 
> What looks like metamerism is actually slighly off colours that are
> accentuated in different light.
> 
> QTR does a really good job of black and white and does so by using
> colours with the blacks if you read the profile documentation
> carefully.
> 
> Or in other words the sloppyness goes far beyond what you imagine.
> 
> If you want to see more, internet search on "color warbles" to find
> for an interesting article by Bill Atkinson.
>

This would be useful if the black only setting produced a black only 
output. With Epson ink, it does not it has a decidedly warm cast and 
is quite grainy as well.

For most it is not a solution and to state it again to get good 
results requires using solutions that one way or another blend it 
the color inks.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale 
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> I think you will find that with the MK cartridge installed, 
selecting Black
> instead of colour in the Ink setting will achieve a "Black Only 
workflow"
> and that only the MK cartridge is used.  (NCA is not relevant to 
this
> discussion.) This is not the case with the PK cartridge, contrary 
to the
> behaviour of the 2200 driver which will again only use the PK 
cartridge when
> Black is selected.
> 
> However, getting back to the point at hand, I just retested my OS-
X 2100
> driver - I have an MIS CFS installed with an MK chip for the black 
slot
> (with Eboni ink).  I can select 2880dpi for Archival Matt paper.  
I am not
> sure whether this is because of the MIS chip but would be 
surprised if that
> were the case.  I am using the latest driver from Epson UK's Tech 
Support
> page.
> 
> 
> > From: johnglodge <john.lodge@s...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:10:02 -0000
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 2100 - EAM at 2880dpi?
> > 
> > Well actually you will not get black with black only; there is a
> > colour caste in the blacks.
> > 
> > Black as printed in NCA is printed in 3 parts
> > --the darkest by black
> > --mid by light black
> > --the highlights by CYM
> > 
> > all have different hues.
> > 
> > The grey line R=G=B is not grey and the actual grey trajectory
> > twists around the grey line.
> > 
> > I understand it is much better with the 4000.
> > 
> > This makes good black really hard and makes colour not that easy
> > either.
> > 
> > What looks like metamerism is actually slighly off colours that 
are
> > accentuated in different light.
> > 
> > QTR does a really good job of black and white and does so by 
using
> > colours with the blacks if you read the profile documentation
> > carefully.
> > 
> > Or in other words the sloppyness goes far beyond what you 
imagine.
> > 
> > If you want to see more, internet search on "color warbles" to 
find
> > for an interesting article by Bill Atkinson.
> >

Well I try not to cast dispersions on a very popular technique.  Personally,
though, I use QTR and have done for a year or more. Many people like Black
Only for its grain and good on them.  It is an easy, useful technique.  The
2100 driver with MK ink is a Black Only technique.  Only the MK ink is used.
Any single ink workflow will, of course, have output influenced by the
warmth of the ink and paper combination.  Epson MK is rather warm and many
choose to replace it with Eboni.  (For many others, the use of any colour
ink other than toner is not a solution.)

However, the point of this thread was the ability, or lack thereof, to
select 2880 dpi in the Epson 2100 driver and the differences between the
2100 and the 2200 drivers which one would prima facie expect to be
identical.

> From: johnglodge <john.lodge@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:49:59 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 2100 - EAM at 2880dpi?
> 
> This would be useful if the black only setting produced a black only
> output. With Epson ink, it does not it has a decidedly warm cast and
> is quite grainy as well.
> 
> For most it is not a solution and to state it again to get good
> results requires using solutions that one way or another blend it
> the color inks.
>