I second this, Max!
I wish I´d find a CS80 in a shape like this in Germany, at a decent price
like that, with all that labour taken into account. I hope there will be a
good home for it.
Stephen
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----- Original Message -----
From: Max Fazio <faxiomas@...>
To: <yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Yamaha CS-80 for sale
> David
> You made an amazing work with your CS-80 and even if we disagree onto some
technical things I wish you can get the reward you deserve for such a work
of love. I'm in Italy and unfortunately I haven't room for it , not counting
the fear for letting the machine be tranported by someone else who's not
me...I wish also the buyer will make a responsive use of the old boy and let
it not take dust....
> Max
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Rogoff
> To: AH analogue heaven AH ; yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com ;
arturiacs-80v@yahoogroups.com ; oldsynths@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 1:52 AM
> Subject: [yamahacs80] Yamaha CS-80 for sale
>
>
> For sale: Yamaha CS-80, not counting modulars (or it's god-father, the
> GX-1), the heaviest, most knobs, most fun synthesizer ever built.
>
> We're talking 171 knobs! 50 switches! No LCDs, no menus, no MIDI
> (although you can buy the Kenton MIDI kit for it)!
>
> The keyboard is in very good condition. The panel and keyboard are
> almost like new and the tolex and hardware on the case is in pretty good
> shape. All the knobs work. It's been in a smoke-free home for at least
> the last few years, and has no signs of any smoke exposure before that.
> It has not been moved around or gigged with for at least several years.
> More details below.
>
> I've had a great time bringing serial # 1646 back to good health, but
> it's time for me to sell it to a new, good home. For better or worse,
> I'm a much better techie/engineer than musician. I've had my fun, but
> now that it's all working well, it should be played and used to make
> great music. And I need to sell it to be able to pay for my next project
:^)
>
> I've owned/fixed up a few CSs over the years. I got a used CS-60 in
> 1981, which I had for a couple of years (and modified heavily). I had a
> CS-80 in 1986, which I fixed up and kept for about three years. I got
> my last CS-80 in 1995, and only had for a few months (lightening load
> during a divorce). I keep telling myself not to buy keyboards that
> weigh more than I do, but the CS-80 is too much fun. I hope by the time
> (2015?) I feel the urge again, someone will finally make a new keyboard
> that can rival it.
>
> Here's some details about its condition and what I've done to it (there
> are tons of pictures of the outside and inside during my restoration at
> http://www.therogoffs.com/cs80):
>
> Electronically:
> To start with, this CS-80 has the second highest serial number I've
> seen, so it was one of the last ones made. This means, not only that
> it's not as old as many others, but that it has the last rev of the VCO
> chips. These are the most stable for tuning and didn't require any
> modifications for temperature tracking, like Yamaha recommended for
> earlier units. The tuning wasn't bad when I got it, and since I did a
> complete tuning on it, it is super accurate over all keys, octaves, and
> voices. I often have to detune the second voice bank to make sure it's
> there because the VCOs are dead on.
>
> CMOS:
> As well documented on Old Crow's excellent website (www.cs80.com), the
> CS-80 had a few design mistakes. Almost all the digital control logic
> is built using 4000-series CMOS chips. These chips, especially the
> older ones, could be very sensitive to static and can also fail over
> time. Luckily, these are still made today. As recommended by Crow, and
> other CS techs, I have replaced every 4000-series CMOS chip with new
> ones for many more years of life. In addition, I have put all of the
> new chips in sockets, so if there is a failure in the future, it will be
> relatively easy to find and fix. Yamaha also had very few bypass
> capacitors on the digital boards (none on one!). These caps help keep
> the power supplies quiet and the parts happy. I've added a bypass caps
> for almost every single digital chip. In addition, I added larger
> bypass caps on each board. This work took a lot of $$$ in parts and
> more rework hours than I can remember, but it's a great insurance policy
> for the future life of the keyboard.
>
> Power supply:
> Almost every piece of electronic gear, from stereo amps, to
> synthesizers, use electrolytic capacitors in their power supplies to
> smooth the AC voltage from the wall socket into nice, smooth DC voltage
> for the internal circuits. These capacitors have kind of a gel in them
> that drys out over the years, degrading their performance, until the are
> non-functional. In old amplifiers, this commonly results in increasing
> hum. I have removed all of these caps from the power supply and
> replaced them with new ones. Since modern caps are smaller than their
> older, same-value parts, I was even able to put larger value caps in
> some places (larger generally equals better for power supplies caps). I
> even replaced the caps used in series with the headphone jack.
>
> Keys: I removed all the keys and washed them. There's a few really tiny
> marks, but overall I'd give them an A. They all feel nice too: initial
> touch (velocity - can control volume, brightness, and pitch bend) and
> after-touch (polyphonic pressure - can control LFO modulation and speed,
> volume, and brightness) are working on all keys. As most fans know, the
> poly aftertouch is one of the keys features of the CS-80. There are very
> few keyboards that had this (I own two other: a Kurzweil MIDIBoard, and
> a Roland A-50, which I'm restoring - but neither feel as good as the
> CS-80). It's such a great and natural feature to be able to play a
> chord and bring out one note by pressing that key harder. No keyboard
> has been made with this for many years. I wish someone would bring it
> back! I've also gone through all the key contacts, cleaning and
> adjusting, to fix any intermittent triggering on any key.
>
> Ribbon:
> Besides the keyboard, the other great, rare feature on the CS-80, is the
> ribbon controller. This lets you bend an note up an octave and down
> infinity to zero! And it's relative, so you can touch it anywhere, and
> that point becomes the starting point of the bend. It's also great for
> guitar/violin-like trills: press anywhere with one finger and then tap a
> trill with another finger. The ribbon works and looks perfect.
>
> Cosmetics:
> Panel: The front panel looks and works great. All knobs, buttons,
> sliders, and lights are 100% functionally and cosmetically. I went
> through every single one of the 171 knobs and 50 switches, including all
> the little ones for the memories. Everything does what it's supposed
to.
>
> Case/Cover: The cabinet is in good condition. There are a few nicks in
> the tolex and the chrome hardware isn't perfect, but overall a B+. The
> case cover is a little rougher, maybe a B-, but who cares since it's not
> on when you are playing, but it is important to have, to protect the
> panel and keyboard. I've got the original casters that plug into the
> case and cover. They are very useful for moving the CS-80 around short
> distances, but for big moves, you'll want a flight case. I've also
> replaced many missing washers that an unknown previous owner/technician
> forgot to put back.
>
> Stand: It's got the original Yamaha stand. A couple of the screws to
> lock it to the CS-80 were missing, so I put together nice replacements
> (metric #8 bolts!). I also added plastic furniture caps over the metal
> feet so it wouldn't tear up my wood floor. There's some scratches and a
> few small nicks, but it looks pretty good - maybe a B/B-. I don't have
> the fancy carrying bag for the stand and pedals. The stand has a great
> feature: it lets one person move the CS-80 by himself. Since it locks
> to the keyboard, you can pretty easily (and I'm not very big) roll the
> unit onto its casters and then move it, and then lift it back up onto
> the stand. This is really helpful if there's no one around to help lift
> it. However, it won't help when you get to a flight of stairs :^)
>
> Music Rest: I could never find one of these! However, I got the
> outline of one and tried to make one out of clear plexiglass. Well,
> cutting plexiglass is harder than I thought, so it doesn't look that
> hot, but it's ok, and it works, so it's yours, free with purchase...
>
> Misc:
> It's got the original Yamaha expression pedal, which can control volume
> or a wah-wah effect. I've got a generic foot switch, which can control
> sustain and/or portamento.
>
> I'm also including a nice, double-sided printout of the owner's manual,
> from the Yamaha site. I'll also give you a CDROM with all the pictures
> I've taken of the keyboard and every bit of info I've found on the
> Internet, including schematics, calibration procedures, theory of
> operations, and more.
>
> Sale info:
> I wanted to offer this to group members first (sorry if some people, who
> are on multiple synth group/mailing lists, get duplicate copies of
> this). I'll keep it open to offers until after New Year's Day. If I
> don't have a buyer by then, I'll put it on eBay. Bottom line: CS-80
> that is better than A+ electronically and about a B/B+ cosmetically.
> Comes with case/cover, casters, original stand, original expression
> pedal, generic sustain/portamento pedal, music rest, and re-print of
> owner's manual.
>
> If you want one that looks and works better than new, please see the
> amazing work that Kent Spong does for RL Music (see
> http://www.rlmusic.co.uk/mals_site/sale_stock_01.html - near bottom of
> page), but it's gonna cost you about three times what I'm asking. I'd
> buy one if I had the money! Speaking of which, I'm looking for offers
> starting at $3700. I'd prefer, and give priority to, local (Southern
> California - Irvine) buyers who could come here, check it out in person,
> and drive it away. As an added incentive, I'll even give it a free
> tuning (if it ever needs it) after a few months, either at my place, or
> yours, if reasonably close by.
>
> If you need it shipped, you will pay all packing, shipping, and
> insurance costs. I will have it professional crated and shipped by a
> company that has experience shipping large musical gear. If you are
> familiar with a particular company, I will check them out. From some
> postings I've read, I would estimate it would cost about $500 to ship it
> to U.K./Europe, but that's just a ball-park estimate.
>
> I've been buying/fixing/selling synths over the Internet and through
> local want-ads for about 25 years now (for fun, not for a living). I
> have an extensive, great record for deals, including a perfect feedback
> of over 200 on eBay
>
(http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=david72hq)
> . I welcome any questions and invite any local buyers to arrange to
> come by check it out in person.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>
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