Hi Stefan
Thanks for your answer.
Please write in english.
Automatic translators aren't very good, eheheh...I prefer to deal with my
english!
Best regards
José
portugal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Rinass" <st@rinass.de>
To: <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [PolySix] Re: Poly 61 in troubles....
> Hi José,
> i try it in your language (thx to google :)
>
> Eu signifiquei a unidade, que fornece o processador central com o pulso
> de disparo (normalmente uma unidade preta). Este componente é necessário
> de modo que o processador trabalhe. É possível, isso que é soldado
> completamente perto no processador central.
>
> I hope you can understand what i mean :)
>
> Greetings
>
> Stef
>
> José Pereira wrote:
>
> >Thanks Stefan
> >I also replaced the oscilator board KLM-508 with one from my second
> >Poly61...No good results...
> >Best regards
> >José
> >Portugal
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Stefan Rinass" <st@rinass.de>
> >To: <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 10:36 AM
> >Subject: Re: [PolySix] Re: Poly 61 in troubles....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi José
> >>
> >>I don´t know the Poly-61 and how he is organzied, but maybe the
> >>"PS61"-Messsage is not generated by the CPU Chip, so -maybe- the CPU
> >>itself doesn´t work cause of a bad connected (overall defect/missing
> >>"ground-line") main Oscillator (which feeds the main CPU)
> >>
> >>Pure speculations.
> >>
> >>Greetings
> >>
> >>Stef
> >>
> >>
> >>José Pereira wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi Gil
> >>>Yes, I did.
> >>>The CPU chips are assembled in sockets. I even replaced the chips...
> >>>Thanks and best regards
> >>>José
> >>>Portugal
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "gil_we" <gil_we@yahoo.com>
> >>>To: <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:45 PM
> >>>Subject: [PolySix] Re: Poly 61 in troubles....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I don't know the P61 but does it have sockets for ICs ?
> >>>If so have you tried to tighten them in their places ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--- In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, José Pereira
> >>><jose.gouveia.pereira@n...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi Johannes
> >>>>1) I checked the power supply: 14,99 VDC, -15,03 VDC and 5,04 VDC
> >>>>2) I don't know what is the Reset circuit. When I "ground" the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>RESET pin on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>IC30 the poly61 display clears and return to the "usual" PS61
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>message.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>3) How can I check the CPU activity at pin 11 of IC30?
> >>>>4) Rechecked all PCB traces around NiCd battery and everything
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>seems OK...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>5) I checked the voltage levels at IC30 and IC1. Both have 4,98 VDC
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>although
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>the voltage at the entrance of the board is 4,98 VDC. Remaining IC
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>in the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>CPU board have 4,99 VDC. Are these deferences significant?
> >>>>
> >>>>In my schematics there's nothing striked or changed.
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks for your incoming suggestions.
> >>>>Best regards
> >>>>José
> >>>>Portugal
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "Johannes Hausensteiner" <jo.synth@c...>
> >>>>To: <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:51 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [PolySix] Poly 61 in troubles....
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The CPU board is a safe bet ...
> >>>>>I would check the following (in this order):
> >>>>>1) Power supply. There is an adjustment/check procedure given in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> service manual. Do this.
> >>>>>2) Reset circuit of IC30.
> >>>>>3) CPU activity e.g. on ALE (pin11 of IC30).
> >>>>>4) Continuity of PCB traces around the NiCd battery. Electrically
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>+
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> optically. I bet that they used the same brand and make as in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> Polysix...
> >>>>>5) Check for good voltage levels on CPU data/port lines (ca. 0V /
> >>>>> ca +5V, nothing in between).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>In my copy of the schematics there are a few components around the
> >>>>>RST circuitry changed or eliminated manually. Do you have this?
> >>>>>(R145, D12, C53 (or is it C55, C33 ? - cannot read it...) are
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>striked
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>through; R146 is 2K2)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Do you have access to an oscilloscope?
> >>>>>Where are you located?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Good luck,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Johannes
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>José Pereira wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Hi
> >>>>>>I know it's the polysix group but there's a lot of tech people
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>around
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>who
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>could possible give me some clues...
> >>>>>>My Poly 61 at start up freezes with the initial message "PS 61"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>in the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>display.
> >>>>>>I replaced the internal battery, but the malfunction continues.
> >>>>>>I replaced all the boards with one other damaged Poly 61,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>except the CPU
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>board.
> >>>>>>I also replaced the 2 chips CPU IC - 8049 from other CPU board.
> >>>>>>Can't replace the CPU board because the other one I have is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>corroded by
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>leaking battery...
> >>>>>>This take me to conclude for a damaged CPU board (KLM 509 - new
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>production).
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Am I wrong?
> >>>>>>Does anybody have any suggestion?
> >>>>>>Do you have one of those in stock (KLM 509)?
> >>>>>>Let me know, please.
> >>>>>>Thanks and best regards.
> >>>>>>José
> >>>>>>portugal
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>From: "dotwav" <rob19@e...>
> >>>>>>To: <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>>>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:16 PM
> >>>>>>Subject: [PolySix] Warming up time....(and a service)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Hello again all...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Finally got a SSM2056 chip for my P6 which fixed the annoying
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>6th
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>note enigma I was having, it's good to hear all notes play
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>normally
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>now.
> >>>>>>>That said, once I got going, I noticed that little response was
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>had,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>from altering most of the knobs (the VCO section, is the only
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>thing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>that made any difference). Playing about through all the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>patches, I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>got very little change (hardly any) when altering the FILTER,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>EG or
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>MG sections.
> >>>>>>>Wondering what had changed, I put the faulty SSM2056 back in,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>but
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>the same thing happened.New chip back in........
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I then wthought, did it need warming up? so I left it fo 20
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>mins,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>but no change, however, this morning, I went out, and switched
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>it
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>on, come back 5 hours later, and it's warmed up, the cutoff knob
> >>>>>>>works well enough, the resonance does work (but I don't think
> >>>>>>>fully), most other knobs work (though some don't seem to do
> >>>>>>>anything, some of the time - I think maybe the way a current
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>patch
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>is setup, that particular knob changes don't make any
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>difference)..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>Two thoughts, how long should it take to warm up, how long does
> >>>>>>>yours take.....? Does this need a service, can it
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>be "calibrated"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>so that it works much better, or should I expect this from now
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>on.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>(I've tried pulling all the IC's that I can, and re-seating
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>them)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>Last thing, any recommendations for a UK service/repair man.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>Tony
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>Allgood has said he's too busy at the moment, I looked at music
> >>>>>>>control website, which diverted me to cimplesolutions, who told
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>me
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>they don't repair classics like the P6, the only other one I
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>thought
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>of was synth-restore, but I emailed them 3 weeks ago, and
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>didn't get
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>a reply. I have seen old crows web site, with a guide on how to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>do
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>the job, but I don't own an oscilloscope, and I don't want to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>make
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>it any worse, so would prefer putting it in the hands of
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>someone who
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>knows what theyre doing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Thanks for your previous help..
> >>>>>>>cross modulated Rob
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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