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Subject: Re: [PolySix] Re: Key assign mode issue

From: Bob Grieb <bobgrieb@yahoo.com>
Date: 2015-05-05

IC9 pin 2 should be at 0V all the time.  If you have a waveform at pin 2, I
would replace IC9.  Also, your photos say 0.5V/division.   Are you using a 10:1
scope probe?  If so, maybe it's really 5V/division?   That would make the waveforms
closer to what I would expect, if you are playing 5 keys that are each an octave
apart.   That's a better test at this pt than playing keys that are together on the
keyboard.

Are you saying that the waveform at IC9-7 does not change when you press keys?

Press 5 keys that are adjacent on the keyboard and look at IC9-7, then press
5 C keys that are octaves apart.   In the second case, the steps in the waveform
should be about 1/2 volt apart.

    Actually the waveform at IC9-5 looks OK to me, assuming it's 5V/div and
not 0.5    You are not triggering the scope properly, though, since we can see
a hor line through the waveform.   It will be easier to trigger correctly if
you can get the waveform to fill more of the screen.    Then play with the trigger
level.    Use normal trigger mode, not auto.  

You need to sort out whether your scope probe is 10:1 or not.   If you can get to
0.5 volts per division, it should make the waveforms easier for us to look at.
(I suspect you may be at 5V / division currently). 

Anyway, it is starting to look like IC9 may be bad.   If you decide to change it,
the preferred method is to cut each lead close to the body of the chip.   Remove the
body, then heat each lead individually from the top side of the bd and pull out the
lead.   Check first to see if any leads are bent underneath, as the corner ones often are.
You may have to straighten them before they will come out.

 Put a socket in for any new chip you install.   They are cheap, and on these old circuit
bds, you may only get one chip change per location before the traces start lifting up.

    Bob


From: "mpe1969@tpg.com.au [PolySix]" <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [PolySix] Re: Key assign mode issue

 
I have just added three more photos. 
Results from tonight. 
IC 7 and IC8 seem to be ok. (inverting voltages) Except pin 13 on ic7 voltage present butis a little jumpy across oscilloscope.
IC19 pin 7 looks similar to the wave on ic9 pin1 (see photos). Pushing keys does not influence the voltage.
IC9 pin1,2,6,7 all look the same (see photo1). Pin 5 has a very distorted variation of pin1 (see photo). 
(pin4 -15, pin8 15+.
I have added oscilloscope setting to photos.

I'm wondering if ic9 is faulty.
Thanks again (learning curve going on over here).
Hope these photos are a little more informative.