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Thanks for the reply Bryce.

Any chance you could grab a stream of data output from your BCR and paste it in here.

Say... the VCF cutoff parameter.. NRPN Parameter #24 I believe.
Run MIDI OX or some other MIDI monitor and let's see what its' sending to the HAWK.. that way I know exactly what it is responding to.
I'd greatly appreciate it :)
And exactly what does the HAWK display when you move a NRPN knob/control? Does the display change and update while the knob moves???
I know some of the other methods of control will display info while it changes.. Standard CC's wont show anything at all, but "controller friendly" and "quick parameter" methods do have running displays on the LED's.

I'm going to look into rolling back the boot/OS and see if that produces any results too.

Thanks so much for chiming in
-Blaine

--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, batard.sensibles@... wrote:
>
> Blaine,
>
> Yea, you helped me get the BCR working perfectly with the Hawk and NRPN's. I'm running version 2.55, boot code 1.98. If you track down a BCR, set the data type on it to NRPN, set the global 16 on the Hawk to 0, then assign a CC# to a dial and that's that. After using it for the past few months, I can't imagine using anything else with the Hawk. Hope you get it working soon.
>
> - Bryce
>
>
>
> On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:12 PM, "bimmerfan222" <bperkins211@...> wrote:
>
> > Ive tried 4 different controllers:
> > two keyboards, MIDI OX and CTRLR
> > All of them six ways from Sunday and all fail to get a response out of my HAWK.
> >
> > I have tried MSB/GL 16 at 00,01,02,03.... I have tried sending LSB first, Data (CC6)first and of course MSB first.
> >
> > Of course I cant really send them "simultaneously", but I can send them in the same order each time and each one sent each time.
> >
> > My Oxygen's problem with the rotary knob was a defective pot, when I replaced the pot, the jittery output ceased and now performs as intended. There are not any msgs sent out unless I intend for it to.
> >
> > The Ozonic keyboard is a much, much better model. But programming it and the output is the same as the Oxygen when it comes to NRPN's.. it will output the MSB/LSB combo at initial movement then a series of CC6 data values.
> > If I stop/start again or go in reverse, it will resend the MSB/LSB combo, again.. just like the Oxygen.
> >
> > I wish I could borrow a BCR2000 to test it with because I know someone got NRPN's to work using one (after I coached him how to use it...).
> > That and know which Firmware Version he was running on his HAWK (if that even mattered).
> > My firmware and even boot code has been updated a few times... I'm just fishing for answers and wondering if it somehow got turned off in one of the versions I updated.
> > I dont know, but I find it odd that I cant get a response after trying so many different ways to provoke one.
> >
> > I may have to adapt and configure the Ozonic faders for the "controller friendly" method of CC's 22 & 23-30
> > instead of fighting for NRPN methods.
> >
> > Wish I could somehow do the quick parameter method. I did all the controls in the GUI I made using that method and it works great!
> > But not many controllers will let you setup a control like that.. only ones that can do raw sysex will, AFAIK.
> >
> > -Blaine
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote:
> > >
> > > if it's any consolation, i have never successfully sent
> > > a rpn or nrpn to anything, lol, only sysex. the way it
> > > is always described is opaque:'the messages must be sent
> > > simultaneously' oh yeah, on a sequential bus? it is only
> > > looking at a midi monitor that i've started to understand
> > > a bit more...only a bit: do the RPN/NRPN 'call' messages
> > > form a single message with the data entry change?(i'd wanted
> > > to use it in the cubase mixermap page, with the onscreen
> > > objects, didn't work with method i was attempting, gave up)
> > >
> > > what i mean about the oxygen's pots is that i got the
> > > impression they were always 'in activity'(are they rotaries?
> > > can't remember). the jumping you describe is in line with
> > > that. can you try to put the messages into a grid/list sequencer
> > > like in cubase? maybe midi-ox lets you do that.
> > >
> > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You're going to have to persevere to find out what you're doing different to everyone else. If NRPN's were not working, I would be hearing from many HAWK customers that had to work out how to do them and use them alot.
> > > >
> > > > Try setting MSB to 1 and changing global 16 to 1 and see if that might be something to do with it.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@>
> > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 12:26 PM
> > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > > I did using OX's "Send Midi Controller Messages" and it didnt respond.
> > > >
> > > > I sent CC98 MSB 0, cc99 LSB 24 (VCF cutoff), CC06 127value. In that order, one at a time with nothing in between.
> > > >
> > > > The VCF cutoff did not change.
> > > >
> > > > I have tried other parameters too.. still no response.
> > > >
> > > > Any other ideas????
> > > >
> > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Use MIDI-OX to test.
> > > > >
> > > > > At least, that will calm your nerves that the HAWK does actually respond to NRPN.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@>
> > > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 9:50 PM
> > > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ÂÂ
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been trying with both the Oxygen and the Ozonic.
> > > > >
> > > > > I dont have any other keyboard that will send NRPN's.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "k9k9dog" <domgoold@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ∗∗∗DEFINITELY CHECK THE MIDI∗∗∗!!!
> > > > > > i had an oxygen, first model, and it was a piece of sh∗t,
> > > > > > i took it back: there is constant activity on the midi CC,
> > > > > > and it screwed up my laptop of th time. swapped it for an
> > > > > > evolution and the problem went away. serious, i believe
> > > > > > this is all down to the oxygen, it must be incompatible
> > > > > > with some stuff. try another keyboard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "bimmerfan222" <bperkins211@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes. channels have been properly matched.
> > > > > > > if I set a controller to CC it will function properly.
> > > > > > > try to change the same controller into a NRPN and it falls on its face
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > its this multi message business that is throwing it for a loop
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Silly question but are you sure you have MIDI receive channel set to the channel that you are sending CC's on?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > From: bimmerfan222 <bperkins211@>
> > > > > > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 12:19 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ
> > > > > > > > Thanks for trying to figure this out.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I tried the new code and the HAWK still wont respond to NRPN's from the Oxygen 8.
> > > > > > > > All the standard CC's work though.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hopefully there's an easy fix for this, I now have two M-Audio controller keyboards that use the exact same NRPN protocol,
> > > > > > > > LSB, MSB then a stream of Data values.
> > > > > > > > They will resend LSB/MSB if the control movement slows down, stops/starts again or goes in reverse, but that doesnt seem to have any effect.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The M-Audio Ozonic I just got today has Aftertouch along with 8 rotary knobs, 9 faders, a programmable joystick and over a dozen momentary switches to program. I was real excited to use this thing with the HAWK since it has so many controls and especially the aftertouch, which is really cool when programmed to open/close the filter :) It's my first aftertouch capable keyboard.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any other ideas on how to get the HAWK to respond?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Blaine
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Actually, here is better code. It says, if I receive any RPN then cancel the current status for NRPN's. So if you inadvertently send RPN's they won't stomp on the NRPN's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Much better.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > > From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@>
> > > > > > > > > To: "korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com" <korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:57 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Maudio midi controller problems.. [3 Attachments]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ÂÂ
> > > > > > > > > [Attachment(s) from Michael Hawkins included below]
> > > > > > > > > OK, I changed the code to allow sending MSB,LSB or LSB,MSB and then data values. And I also allow sending multiple data values without MSB or LSB being resent.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I attach the updated software files.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let me know it goes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >