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Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Hawk-800 / Atomahawk Preset Query

From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...>
Date: 2012-09-06

I assume you're running the latest boot version 1.95 and software version 2.53 - correct?

If not, you should upgrade.

I just tested my own Poly using MIDI-OX. When an original sysex dump is received in full the HAWK will output F0 42 21 7E 01 01 F7 . If you don't get that, then your HAWK did not receive the syx dump intact.

I used Low Level Output Buffers of size 256 and number of them 64 with 10 milliseconds between buffers.

64 x 8 byte buffers is just not big enough.

You certainly should not be seeing numbers all over the displays, that makes no sense at all.

Mike


From: Dave Mooney <dave.e.mooney@...>
To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [korgpolyex] Re: Hawk-800 / Atomahawk Preset Query

 
Cheers Mike, 

I've just tried what you said and have gotten better results however I am still having issues:

If I set the sysex at the levels suggested in the manual I get "crash" and the synth reboots. When set slower again to 64 X 8-byte buffers with 2000ms delay between them i get one of the following numbers cycling on the display every 5-10 seconds:
  • {12,11,13,23,13,24,13,23,21,23,24,21,14,23,21,13,11,12,23,28,11,16,11,13,28,11,28,15,28,11,28.13,28,11,24,11,22,28,11,28,11,28,11,12,28,11,18,16,11,14,16,12,11,18,26,11,12,15,11,27,17,25,24,21,18,12,15,11….etc}
There is no sysex output from the synth after all has been sent, so im not sure if the patch are properly copied. When i reboot the synth many of these factory patches are working however many are not also some seem to have fm applied?
  • 16,17 are noise
  • 22-26 are silent
  • 35-36 are just noise
  • 37 is an LFO filter
  • 38 is noise
  • 43 is almost silent
  • 44 is silent
  • 45 is silent
  • 51 is noise
  • 54 is noise
  • 56 is noise
  • 57 is noise
  • 58 is noise
  • 61 is noise
  • 62 is almost silent
  • 63 is silent
  • 64 is silent
  • 72 is sound with a lots random noise over the top
  • 73 is silent
  • 74 sounds like it has fm applied?
  • 83 sounds like it has fm applied?
  • 85 is again noise
  • 86 sounds like it has fm applied?
  • 88 more noise
Any ideas what could be causing this problem or could you suggest a way to proceed from here? Also just to clarify only the 4 banks of patches available from sourceforge are to be installed using the Tools>patch mode and only Poly-800mk1/EX-800 sysex dumps are sent in normal operating mode right? Thanks again Mike!

Regards
Dave


On 3 September 2012 14:23, korgpolyex800 <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:
 
I am guessing that you're trying to use Tools mode to receive the EX-800 or MK2 sysex dump. That would of course make some sense and indeed I intend to rewrite the code to do just that but at the moment you send the EX-800 and MK2 dumps to the HAWK while in normal operating mode ("11 P").

Give that a go. And yes, the owners manual is a little confusing on that issue. But the good news is that when I make the change to put it into Tools mode the operating will be much better at handling the bulk dumps.

Mike


--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Dave Mooney <dave.e.mooney@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> Thanks for getting back to me. Okay so the first issue was solved by
> getting a new midi interface. My AKAI MPK 25 wasn't sending sysex properly
> for some reason so i got an M-Audio midisport and it did the trick so i'm
> able to send the patch banks over to the poly-800 and receieve "Good"
> messages. I didn't realise there were differences between MIDI interfaces
> in terms of kind of message they could send properly but apparently there
> is........ anyway thanks your advice helped solve that problem.
>
> Second issue however is stil unresolved. Whether it's that the source sysex
> file im using is wrong or something else I'm not sure but im getting
> 'error2' messages when i try to send the sysex files i have. You had a
> discussion with a guy in 2009 (
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/korgpolyex/message/3927) in which you
> link to a file that appears to work however the link is dead now. Could you
> repost that file if possible so i could try use that. I've configured
> MIDI-OX to run with 128-bit buffers, 64 of them with a delay of 2000ms
> between them, but from the very first moment i start to send the messages I
> get the error message. Is it definitely possible to send MK2 or EX-800
> dumps to a Modified Mark 1? Thanks a million!
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
>
> On 2 September 2012 18:50, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@...> wrote:
>
> > ∗∗

> >
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > Q: I found when I tried to reload all the patch bank sysex files to the 4
> > patch banks using tools mode --> patch mode the display changes to PATCHL
> > but then doesn't change from that. Any ideas on what I might be doing wrong
> > or what I might try to get around this?
> >
> > A: Check that you're not sending spurious MIDI data along with the sysex.
> > HAWK doesn't like that. What make and model MIDI interface are you using?
> > Are you using Windows XP? It has a bad MIDI driver.
> >
> > Q: The second issue is that I want to re-install the original factory
> > patch library from the mk1 or mk2. Is this possible using the mk2 or ex800
> > sysex files? As in provided I figure out why I cannot upload patches,
> > should it then be possible to upload the mk-2 or ex-800 sysex patch dumps
> > to restore the factory presets on my modified mk1?
> >
> > A: Follow the instructions in the owners manual very carefully. You cannot
> > send the EX-800 or MK2 sysex dumps too fast to the HAWK. It will choke.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > ∗From:∗ Dave Mooney <dave.e.mooney@...>
> > ∗To:∗ korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > ∗Sent:∗ Saturday, September 1, 2012 10:19 AM
> > ∗Subject:∗ [korgpolyex] Hawk-800 / Atomahawk Preset Query

> >
> >
> > Hi, I bought a Hawk-800 and Atomahawk mod in July and just received my
> > modified poly-800 mk1 back from the synth technician yesterday. I've run
> > into a couple of issues and I'm just looking for advice on what to do.
> >
> > When I got the poly-800 back yesterday I could get sound from it and move
> > between the patches. Many of the patches sounded good though others
> > featured heavy fm and thinking that patch bank installed by the synth tech
> > may have been the fm-800 patch bank, I sought to install the other patch
> > banks.
> >
> > I found when I tried to reload all the patch bank sysex files to the 4
> > patch banks using tools mode --> patch mode the display changes to PATCHL
> > but then doesn't change from that. Any ideas on what I might be doing wrong
> > or what I might try to get around this?
> >
> > The second issue is that I want to re-install the original factory patch
> > library from the mk1 or mk2. Is this possible using the mk2 or ex800 sysex
> > files? As in provided I figure out why I cannot upload patches, should it
> > then be possible to upload the mk-2 or ex-800 sysex patch dumps to restore
> > the factory presets on my modified mk1?
> >
> > Cheers
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>