Oh SNAP!
Looks like my plan to take over the world through misinforming the public was foiled
again...dammit Doug...next time...! :)
> JP-6. The filters do not oscillate.
Yeah, I just fired up my Jupiter-6, you're right it doesn't self oscillate. Though, the range
of the resonance is seems greater...
I actually didn't fully understand what it meant to "self oscillate" until I did the "Moog
Slayer" mod...And thank god my Jupiters the don't self oscillate!...both my cat, my
girlfriend, and my speaker cones are ready to kill me...that resonance is nasty!!!...usually in
a bad way.
> Also, the JP-6 does not have DCOs as you state.
> the same CEM3340 chip analog oscs as the Prophet-5 rev 3 and
> OB-Xa/OB-8.
Yes, obviously, you would know, the curtis chips are not digital controlled...I thought they
were, sorry. Aesthetically they definitely sound much brighter and buzzier, they don't have
that same "ooommmmphhhhhh"...and they still drift out of tune...
> As for "lumpier" sounding LFOs, I have no idea what that even means.
I find the jupiter-6's lfos to sound aesthetically more robotic sounding for some reason.
They "swing" harder...Not that that is a bad thing, just different... My Jupiter-8's lfo's
sounds smoother, more organic...Maybe the Jupiter-6 has a triangle and not a true sin
wav lfo...
< It uses the same IR3109 chips as
> the JP-8 as a matter of fact but in a different configuration to give
> you resonant low, band, and high-pass filters (a great improvement if
> you ask me).
> Sorry for the OT but I hate it when I see misinformation being spread.
WHAT! NO WAY! are you kidding me, the Jupiter-8's filter section totally rules over the
Jupiter-6 any day....maybe it looks better on your oscilloscope or something, but
sonically--the Jupiter-8 takes it hands down... Maybe if it had a 12db/oct mode the
bandpass would be more useful. Seriously, every single time I play the 6, I always, every
time, wish it had the 8's filter section...
Anyway, I'm gonna shut up and write some tracks...I guess leave the technical questions to
the technical hardware gurus in the future if I'm not 100% sure...(I'm a musician and
programmer by trade)...thanks for setting me straight.
Peace...
-Tim
--- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "synthparts" <synthparts@...> wrote:
>
> I know this isn't a Jupiter forum (for that go to
> www.roland-jupiter.org) but you are obviously badly misinformed on the
> JP-6. The filters do not oscillate. It uses the same IR3109 chips as
> the JP-8 as a matter of fact but in a different configuration to give
> you resonant low, band, and high-pass filters (a great improvement if
> you ask me). Also, the JP-6 does not have DCOs as you state, it has
> the same CEM3340 chip analog oscs as the Prophet-5 rev 3 and
> OB-Xa/OB-8. As for "lumpier" sounding LFOs, I have no idea what that
> even means. Sorry for the OT but I hate it when I see misinformation
> being spread.
>
> Doug
> --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, "serotonic_sound" <sero-tonic@>
> wrote:
> >
> > The Jupiter-6 will self oscillate, the Jupiter-8 will not. The two
> > boards have TOTALLY different filter sections.
> >
> > The 8 has a separate high pass and low pass section and is 12/24
> > switchable (and the two modes sound totally different). The 6 has one
> > multi mode filter (low/band/hi) and is fixed at 24db/oct, but the
> > resonance range is much wider.
> >
> > In my opinion the filter section on the 8 is far superior.
> >
> > Actually Roland seemed to have made the range of EVERYTHING on the
> > Jupiter-6 wider, which makes it quite twitchy to use, but you can get
> > it to sound more "extreme". The Jupiter-8 seems to just sound good no
> > matter what you do to it. Also the 6 is digitally controlled,
> > oscillators, lumpier sounding lfo's...you can hear the difference
> > instantly--The 6 lost much of that amazing organic sound the the 8
> had.
> >
> > Yeah, totally different beasts...
> >
> > QUESTION:
> >
> > Back on track: I'm gonna do the poly-800 filter mod tonight or
> > tomorrow, wish me luck...is it worth it to keep the factory pots in
> > the circuit? What functionality will I lose exactly If I don't? I'm
> > not too clear on how the new knobs interact with the patch settings,
> > and what the old trim pots did, actually...
> >
> > When I do the 12/24 mod, I'll report back with how subtle the change
> > is compared to Jupter-8's 12/24 switch, if anybody cares. ;)
> >
> > Peace,
> > -Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com, Epiik Soul <electrohead2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Im not sure if the Jupiters can self oscillate. Most info says yes,
> > some users say no. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know for sure?
> > > Even though Jupiters and Poly's both have 24db filters, I dont think
> > they sound the same. With a Moog Slayer mod, they sound worlds apart.
> > > As far as a comparison goes, its always apples and oranges. Every
> > synth has something unique that makes it like no other. Theres
> > probably some Jupiter6 sounds that the Jupiter8 cant quite get right
> > and vice versa.
> > > The same goes for any two synths.
> > >
> > > ...Electrohead - Patiently awaiting Mikes next batch of boards :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Michael Hawkins <korgpolyex800@>
> > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Jupiter vs Poly
> > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 9:04 AM
> > > > OK, I love the Poly but you are going to have to explain to
> > > > me how the Jupiter-8 is not capable of making which sounds.
> > > >
> > > > What sounds can the Poly make that a Jupiter-8 cannot?
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any recorded audio of these sounds that we
> > > > could listen to?
> > > >
> > > > Mike.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: serotonic_sound <sero-tonic@>
> > > > To: korgpolyex@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:47:25 AM
> > > > Subject: [korgpolyex] Hello poly-800 world, my story, ( and
> > > > missing joystick. :( )
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey folks, I'm really glad I found this forum! Nice
> > > > work everyone.!
> > > >
> > > > EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: I love this synth! But, I'm missing
> > > > the joystick and need some info
> > > > on rigging up some resistors to run in tune without it.
> > > >
> > > > (Ok first, I'm not totally illiterate, just really
> > > > excited by good/fun hardware synths)
> > > >
> > > > So, I recently was given a tattered old poly-800 mk1 from a
> > > > friend...Free is a really good
> > > > price!
> > > >
> > > > I was really skeptical about this unit when I read about it
> > > > and even more skeptical when I
> > > > got my hands on it and was loading it into my car because
> > > > it felt like a total cheap piece
> > > > of sh∗∗t. Plastic unit with crappy buttons and that stupid
> > > > programming reference stencil
> > > > area that should have been filled with a million knobs and
> > > > switches...anyway. ..
> > > >
> > > > I got it home, hacked together a power supply to turn it
> > > > on...and you know the
> > > > story...nothing, no sound....... ....oh wait if I hold the
> > > > keys down I heard some kind of low
> > > > fequency something coming in on a really slow envelope...I
> > > > think...So I quickly referenced
> > > > the manual, which amazingly was part of the deal, to put it
> > > > into programming mode and
> > > > set up everything to make a simple square wave, unfiltered,
> > > > sane adsr settings...and sure
> > > > enough...success. ..major success!!! It actually
> > > > worked...nice!
> > > >
> > > > Oh dear, then I read about the battery issue in the
> > > > manual....WHAT? NO INTERNAL
> > > > BATTERY? You must be kidding me, seriously? come on...so I
> > > > unplugged the dc power,
> > > > plugged it back in, sure enough, everything was erased...no
> > > > really, come on, really?
> > > > seriously? come on korg...really? YES REALLY.
> > > >
> > > > First order of business 3v lithium mod... (THANKS
> > > > GUYS!)...works like a charm... Yes one
> > > > step closer to a "real synth"...
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, this synth, for certain applications, absolutely
> > > > kills! I love it to death...the factory
> > > > presets are ridiculously bad...seriously all of them (even
> > > > patch 15 ;) This thing sounds
> > > > best when you open it right up loud and pure...I REALLY,
> > > > REALLY, love the oscillators on
> > > > this thing...and the filter sounds really good, but I'm
> > > > going to do the 12db mod asap, I
> > > > don't like 24db filters personally for the music I
> > > > make...I prefer the more acidy sound of
> > > > 12db...
> > > >
> > > > I have a Jupiter-8 and a Juptiter-6, and I hate to admit
> > > > it, but this thing will make killer
> > > > sounds not possible on those two machines...very
> > > > complimentary. ..Retro Electro
> > > > madness!!!!! ...
> > > >
> > > > Maybe you can tell...I love old keyboards...
> > > > YYEEEEAAAAAAAHHH HHHH... <happy dance>
> > > >
> > > > I'll upload some good "housey-technoy- elctroey-
> > > > acidy-discoey- psy-ee" patches for
> > > > everyone soon...
> > > >
> > > > Ok, long, long, story short. (Thanks for listening).. .
> > > >
> > > > THE REAL MEAT OF THIS MESSAGE:
> > > >
> > > > I'm missing the joystick unit completely, its not just
> > > > broken, its gone, the whole unit... I
> > > > can stare down the square hole and see the connectors
> > > > hanging there.
> > > >
> > > > 1) I think the pitch of the unit is being thrown off
> > > > because there's no resistance on the
> > > > pitch mod joystick, it's sounds about 5 tones off,
> > > > yeah?
> > > >
> > > > 2) Would somebody be kind enough to tell me what resistors
> > > > I should wire up to what
> > > > leads to simulate the joystick being in the center? Please?
> > > > I'll buy you a case of beer or
> > > > lunch, or write you a song, or something... I promise.
> > > >
> > > > 3) Does anybody want to sell me a joystick unit? or know
> > > > where I can get one?
> > > >
> > > > Peace everybody, happy synthing... :) :) :) :) :) :)
> > >
> >
>