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On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Andrew Listmayer <andrewlistmayer@...> wrote:I was quiet up until now because I felt like an asshole after the initial few comments, but now since quite a few non-assholes have spoken out against the royalty it gives me the courage. I have no problem about supporting E-M as they have created an absolutely invaluable community without which I never could have dreamed of building my own synth, but a 20% royalty on a third party panel is just too much IMO. Im already trying to get over the fact that the switch to the newer, more competant metal guys puts the price at almost twice what it would have been when we started discussing this project plus the floundering Canadian dollar. If this had come out last year with the old pricing scheme, I would have had to pay about $60 Canadian for it. Now, with the royalty and exchange im looking at $150. Still cheaper than Schaeffer, yes, but I am used to paying $10 each to make my DIY panels and these tough times have me reconsidering whether this hobby is financially feesable at all. Guh, sorry for the rant.On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:22 AM, data2action <fluxmonk@...> wrote:Well, between this and Scott's msg (the 2 owners of the intellectual property rights in question), seems like the question of "royalties" is settled: no-one w/ any rights to do so has asked for them, and none should be paid.
Scott, if you want to tithe some amount to EM, for whatever reason, that's your call. You could even pass on the amount to us (still cheaper than FPD). I appreciate your transparency for asking in the first place, and for continuing to let us know what you decide. FWIW, i think 20% is _way_ too high. And FWIW, whoever asked for "royalty" payment (you don't mention a name, only "I have been told...") has slightly tarnished th otherwise respectable reputation of E-M, at least in my eyes.
thanks as always for all the hard work, and likewise to both Scott and Thomas.
bbob
--- In ModularSynthPanels@yahoogroups.com, thomas white <djthomaswhite@...> wrote:
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> this is uncalled for. The designer made royalties from "limited run" pcb sales. Parts kits were sold separately by a different end user with no mention of royalties. there is no trademark on the KLEE name also unless I am missing something? Panels sales = more pcb sales right? No one else has done or requested this. Kind of bogus.
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> The panel is my layout, and I expect no royalties. Scott Deyo is not making kits or assembled units. He is only selling metalwork. IMHO leave the names Klee and e-m off and just put "sequencer" on the panel. You go and try to give someone props by buying and building a nice unit with the named of the designer, website and this is what happens? I hope there has been some misunderstanding. I know times are tough but this is nutso.
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> Has anyone else been asked for royalties before like this? It's kind of like synth_diy∗∗∗ with the ∗∗∗ meaning see the small print for the extra fees. Where does the royalty request come from directly?
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> Man, I hope this all gets worked out somehow...
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> Scott Deyo wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I've been told that since the Klee is property of E-M, I am supposed to
> > add 20% royalty on panel sales. It's tricky for me to bring this up,
> > but obviously I have to.
> > I need to know if everyone who committed, is still committed to the
> > panels @ ~$120 instead of ~$100.
> > General discussion of the royalty is OK, too, but... Probably everyone
> > will be more than happy to support E-M, but I just had to say "No
> > flaming please!!!"
> > : )
> > Cheers,
> > Scott Deyo
> > The Bridechamber
> > contact@bridechambe r.com
> > http://www.bridecha mber.com
> > Jealous Edison Record Kompany
> > http://www.jealouse dison.com
> >
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