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Power supply stability certainly doesassure that tuning is stable as well. The big Moog had rather dirty DC due tothe large distribution harness, so ‘lytics spread about the harnessterminal strips cleaned things up greatly.
The first and second incarnations of themini VCO card had tempco resistors in the exponential converters to keep thescale (volts per octave) from changing grossly with temperature. Withouttempcos, the unit wouldn’t be practical (the reason that the Moog 951keyboard has a “Scale” knob, for the old 901’s). But otherparts of the circuit are also affected by temperature so until everything evensout over a few minutes, there will be some pitch drift. The third incarnationof the mini VCO used ua726 transistor pairs for the exponential converters,which have an internal heater that takes the chip die up over the ambient tempand stays there. They come up to temp pretty quickly. The rest of the parts aretighter spec’d than the early cards also so typically a mini with s/n10,000 or higher will be in tune within a matter of seconds and stay there. Youcan tell the incarnation by the bend/mod wheels and front panel:
First version – clear wheels, metalfront panel, small lettering, full markings around all knobs
Second version – smooth white wheels,plastic front panel, larger lettering, partial markings around all knobs
Third version – ribbed white wheels,plastic front panel, larger lettering, partial markings around all knobs
The PSU’s are the same on all, butthe PSU caps deteriorate over time so all units will vary depending on this. I’vetaken a PSU out of a stable unit and moved it to a less stable unit, the thestability followed the PSU. The difference was not so much the tuning drift,but rather the purity of the VCO tone (the amount of tiny warble). I suspectthe amount of drift is due to loose tolerances in the VCO components. Oldresistors and caps have higher temperature susceptibility than newer parts.Carbon resistors are bad, metal films are good, and newer machines had betterresistors as the suppliers improved their parts. But minis are prone to boardswapping, so many machines have a mix of old and new.
The Micro and Multimoogs used CA3046transistor arrays for the exponential converters, and spare trannys in the chipare used as heaters for the same effect. However it takes longer for theseunits to come up to temp than the 726-equipped minis, something like fiveminutes. After that they’re dead on. I think the Moog 921’s usedthe same trick.
But back to Mellotrons… let’ssee, need to find something relevant to the list… OK, I just got back#1213 which was on loan to Ryo Okumoto for the new Spock’s Beard album(along with my Pro Soloist). Tapes used were Ian flutes, Sad Strings, andRussian Choir. He told me that he used the Pro Solost all over the place too.
- Gene
From:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of d.etheridge1@...
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 20061:24 AM
To: Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Mellotronists] MoogLP tuning
Accordingto Keyboard Magazine around 1993 (a feature on Emmo's
modular Moog restoration) tuning drift was caused by variations in
the power supply -obviously as everything's voltage controlled. When
Keith's modular system was fitted with modern stabilised power
supplies 'the oscillators just went at attention'. Which I presume
means that they stayed right on the money for tuning.
I'm guessing that the later Minis would have been fitted with a more
stable PSU, hence the improved tuning.
Anyone want to enlarge or correct me on this?
Best wishes,
Dave. >
Mini
>Sometimes mine is in tune immediately and holds it for hours. Sometimes it
>slips and slides like you wouldn't believe and never settles down. This is
>why I eventually bought a guitar pedal tuner and put it in-line between >and mixer, using the 'output off when on' jack out so's I can retune on the
>fly. I know the later models (S/N 10,000 and up?) are more stable, but I
>wouldn't swap mine for anything. That's analogue synths for you.
>
>Andy T.