Hi john
Ok here we go the last time we talked last year I asked you about
your mill and the book on how to mill boards . A week after we talked
I had to take my dad in to the hospital and found out he had Cancer
of the blood so I put every thing on hold in my life My wife and kids
and I had to take care of him he passed away 4 months later that's
way I did not do anything till I contacted you this past month .Now
as for the shipping of the books there is a 5.00 importing fee I have
to pay for at the post office that's why I said do not worry about
it , that's not lying to anyone at all, by not putting a bill of
sale in I will not then pay two times to the Government then try to
get get it back in two to three months .
As for the G-code you had that up on your web site and you took it
down so I thought you would sell it at a price that would be fair to
all ..
John J Brauweiler
I will repost this on the group later on but I also think that this
is not where it should be done . I did not flame you there I hope we
can fix what ever is goning on here .
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@y..., "crankorgan" <john@k...> wrote:
> Tony,
> What you did was a stunt! I have a tax number and I keep
records
> of every sale. But I am nonprofit. I retired at 37 and I am now an
> old man of 50. I share my plans and ideas with other. I charge a
small
> fee for my plans. I use the money to buy more parts. I work 18
hours
> a day 7 days a week. I love what I am doing. It's my life and I
will
> do what I want! So if anyone want to talk Milling Circuit boards I
am
> here for that! I am not a businessman, they make money!
>
> John
>
>
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@y..., Tony Jeffree <tony@j...> wrote:
> > John -
> >
> > Rather an extreme reaction when all I was doing was offering you
> sound (and
> > free!) advice. Don't knock it. Ask any successful salesman &
he/she
> will
> > tell you the same thing.
> >
> > At 10:33 17/04/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Tony,
> > > I don't run a company. This is a hobby! I offer my plans to
> > >people who want them.
> >
> > You advertise stuff for sale. You have customers. You sell them
> stuff. You
> > accept their money. Ergo, you run a business. Maybe not
> incorporated, but
> > certainly a business. The IRS will certainly view it as a
business
> > (assuming of course that you're a good boy & tell them about the
> income);
> > so will anyone seeing your website & noticing that you charge for
> stuff.
> >
> > >When people ask lots of questions, seem
> > >unsure, or pull a stunt. I don't want to get involved with them.
> > >I learned from people like YOU! You sent cash in the envelope.
You
> > >did not send the correct amount. I shipped anyway.
> >
> > You're right - I sent you a $20 bill (or was it 2 tens?), not
$18,
> > anticipating that the extra $2 would cover the additional
overseas
> postage,
> > as your $18 price already included US postage & didn't specify
the
> extra
> > for overseas. I can do the sums - you ended up ∗in pocket∗,
rather
> than
> > ∗out of pocket∗ on that deal. Just shows how easy it is for you
to
> > misrepresent a situation by leaving out vital information. Having
> seen that
> > happen in your interactions with me, I have no reason to take
your
> version
> > of your interactions with this other Canadian guy at face value
> either.
> >
> > >Then you started
> > >whining you got robbed.
> >
> > If you mean I gave you feedback on what I considered to be the
low
> > value-for-money that I had received, that is true. I wouldn't
> describe that
> > as whining. Particularly as I didn't ask for a refund - I wrote
> that one
> > off to bad experience.
> >
> > >So now I am very careful who I sell to. Now
> > >when somebody pulls your stunt! I send the money back.
> >
> > I notice you didn't bother to offer me a refund though, despite
the
> fact
> > that I was obviously unhappy with what you had sent me. Perhaps
if
> you had,
> > we wouldn't have ended up having this conversation.
> >
> > >In over a year
> > >and a half I have only had one complaint. That was from YOU!
They
> rest
> > >are from people who have not bought anything! They want me to
cater
> > >to they long list of questions and conditions. This is a Hobby!
I
> am
> > >very busy here!
> >
> > If you don't want the hassle, don't go into business - be it in a
> small way
> > or not. You could save yourself all the hassle you are
complaining
> about by
> > doing what many others, including myself, do - put their plans
etc.
> up on
> > their websites at no charge, for the benefit of all.
> >
> > You can't have it both ways.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Tony