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Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
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> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, jamesmichaelnewton
> <jamesmichaelnewton@...> wrote:
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> > Specifically, what topics are not well named?
>
> One example, Holes.
> If you click the "holes" or "drill holes" you get the same scattered
> comments about installing copper tubes as vias. That's not what I
> understand as holes, or drilling holes, that's homebrew methods for
> plating holes maybe. There isn't a bit of information about actually
> making the holes.
>
You have combined two areas of complaint and so avoided both objections I raised about those complaints.
You said the topics were poorly named, then later said the content is incomplete. When I asked what topics were poorly named, you said the content of the holes page is incomplete.
Obviously, a major reason for holes is to connect layers; so the info on home made vias is very pertinent. Yes, there should be content on that page about drilling holes, but I haven't added it yet and you are not helping. If you (or anyone) has good content that overviews or links to examples of good ways to drill holes, please send it to me so I can put it up, or add it yourself.
I've paid for content many times in the past, and I would pay you again for this content, but I've burned up the money for this week in the time it has taken me to defend the site.
Perhaps when there is a significant amount of info on the page abound drilling holes, I, or anyone who cares to take over the page, will make a separate page on making vias and move the via content to it.
And I do appreciate the ONE bit of specific feedback you have provided on the content. I'll try to add some drill content as time allows. But you failed to defend your point on poor organization or topic naming, and you didn't reply to the point on content completeness.
> > First off, they ARE a different style. The color, I agree, is the same. If you make them a different color, people don't look at them.
> >
> > Does it occur to you that the ads might have value? That people advertise things that relate?
> >
>
> Does it occur to you that I might not be interested to actually read
> the ads, or at least I might want to know I am reading a commercial ad
> instead of the page content? The ones to the right are fine, but for
> example the line inserted on top looks just the same as your links.
> Maybe you should check your own copyright notice: "©2010 These pages
> are served without commercial sponsorship".
> Tricking people into clicking on ads is not commercial sponsorship?
Seriously? If you can't see "ads by google" on each ad block, then you are pretty darn easy to trick. What do you need? a flashing red outline?
I'm not sponsored by any commercial interest. No one pays me to publish one comment and remove or delete another. I'm not influenced by corporate spin. The "press and peel" people don't pay me and so influence me to remove the information I host on making your own release paper. The google ads allow me to just focus on the content and ignore the interests of the companies who choose to advertise.
> You aren't interested to accept any criticism as maybe having a valid
> point, but you want others to contribute to a flawed base.
I've ALWAYS accepted any SPECIFIC and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. If all you can say is "It's fugly" or "it doesn't make sense" then you can piss up a rope.
> This isn't something new, I had exactly the same thought when you
> added the inkjet content years ago. I kept quiet and hoped the site
> would improve, or maybe it was just me that didn't understand it, but
> it didn't, and it isn't just me.
Fine. go start your own. or don't use mine. But STOP PUBLICLY SLAMMING MY SITE WITHOUT OFFERING ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT.
I could say any number of nasty little things about your group or your leadership of it, but I've always been supportive of your decisions and your style, even when I didn't agree with it.
>
> Anyway, now you know why I, and probably a few others, don't want to
> actively contribute to your site. You've actually given me money to
> host some stuff about inkjet printing, but you could have way more,
> and all for free, if the environment was just a little more inviting.
IN WHAT /FREAKING/ WAY? You continue to bash my site and yet you absolutely refuse to offer ANY suggestion for how to make the "environment" a little more "inviting" whatever that means.
This is the last I'll say about this. It's too upsetting to me. Offer specific constructive suggestions or I will simply ignore your responses on this subject from now on.
I have a site to work on.
> Just look at the archive of this yahoo group too see how much people
> will give.
>
> ST
>