Steve,
Don't get your dander up. Calm down. Don't over react.
I was responding to your implied point that the
laserjet and laminator was more expensive than inkjet
and that inkjet was thus a better choice.
Any technique is viable for making pcbs, for the right
person. Some people swear by the photo method, others
by TT, to each his own.
The R200 series has been suggested quite a few times
already. It could be a KISS machine. Maybe, maybe not.
Your definition of "average joe" and mine differ. My
definition includes the fact pcbs ARE going to be
made. After all isn't that what we are talking about
here?
My point is that for this to be widely used it must be
KISS simple. It is not there yet. Having one person
finally duplicate the results after 5 weeks and 400+
posts does not make it a fait accompli.
There are still too many details up in the air for
KISS practicality. Put board over a hot plate until
the ink turns brewn is not a method that is
consistant. Is it good enough? I surely hopw so.
I have never said nor implied that all members shoud
stop trying to develop new techniques, what I said is
that they should get their heads out of clouds and
make sure is is simple and reliable.
Whether or not I make pcbs with inkjet printed resist
will be my choice, not any one elses.
Can we just get back to making inkjet printed resist
work and stop this thread which turned into a pi$$ing
match?
Myc
--- Steve <
alienrelics@...> wrote:
.
>
> Your point? We should all drop every other method
> because it might
> cost some money to set it up and use photocopiers
> and clothes irons?
>
> > Homebrew-pcbs is a specialized group of very vocal
> (or
> > whatever the term for posters is) people that are
> well
> > beyond the ordindary joe. Sometimes, we, myself
> > included, forget our roots and have our heads in
> the
> > clouds.
>
> The "ordinary joe" isn't likely to be making
> projects from scratch.
> Someone coming from kit building should be learning
> more, and is
> likely to be looking for a challenge. Besides, if
> some of us start
> using direct inkjet printing, how does that stop the
> "ordinary joe"
> from using toner transfer, or photo exposure, or
> anything else?
>
> > If $100 is very cheap, then why haven't you yet
> > purchased a R220 which lists for $100 and can be
> > purchased (refurbished) from EPSOn directly for
> $71
> > with shipping included? Don't forget the ink
> > settlement which drops the cost considerably.
>
> I have an R200, thanks. Bought it from someone who
> got it free with a
> camera, cost me $60 unopened box. After I use up the
> OEM dye ink, the
> plan has always been to install MIS pigmented ink in
> it, specifically
> for archival photo printing.
>
> But what is your point? If I didn't do it already,
> I'm not allowed to
> suggest it?
>
> As it happens, I did some tests from an Epson 5000
> loaded with another
> type of MIS pigmented ink. I think my problem may
> have been not
> cooking the ink at high enough temp. I noticed a
> couple of people
> saying that the yellow ink darkened, I didn't cook
> mine high enough to
> darken the ink and it ran. Or it may have been that
> the exact ink, MIS
> PRO, is required.
>
> > You missed the point about the average joe. He is
> not
> > going out and spending his $$$ on a set up just
> for
> > making pcbs. Again, I'm talking about the average
> guy
> > maybe making a few boards a month. he'll buy a
> refill
> > ink kit, but not a continuous feed kit, to save
> money
> > overall.
>
> Sure, and I mentioned refill cartridges. But why
> would the "average
> joe" who's making only a few boards a month spend
> -anything- on making
> them if he is that broke or concerned about money?
>
> > Yes there are a few dedicated souls who for their
> own
> > purposes will spend some extra $$$ just to be able
> to
> > make a pcb...
>
> Again, what is your point? That they shouldn't be
> allowed, because
> "average joe" can't or doesn't want to?
>
> Will you require all those members doing THP to
> stop, because Average
> Joe can't to THP?
>
> > The KISS principle does reign.
>
> I thought a modified CD tray -was- KISS. Others have
> asked the
> question about selecting which color is printed, I
> think one
> suggestion is to export to a raster image and modify
> the color in your
> favorite image editor before printing. Since I think
> it's likely we
> have a few programmers here, I mentioned the option
> of a custom
> driver, someone else mentioned a way to "fool" the
> printer that at
> least works on the Epson Photo 900. As I said, a
> custom ICC profile
> just for PCB printing could also do the job where it
> comes to which
> ink is printed.
>
> > I'm glad you're volunteering to write these
> drivers.
>
> No need to cop an attitude.
>
> If you aren't interested in direct inkjet resist
> printing, then don't
> do it. Something new like this is going to get a lot
> of traffic on the
> list until it gets "perfected". Just delete the
> threads 'til then
> instead of reading them.
>
> Steve Greenfield
>
>
>
>
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