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Subject: Re: Toner transfer - un-even surface theory...

From: "kilocycles" <kilocycles@...>
Date: 2006-03-04

Tony,
That's consistent with what Techniks (P-n-P Blue) support told me.
Some of the new laser printers use higher temperatures. However, the
maximum temperature that Press-n-Peel with withstand is greater than
the toner temperature requirements, If I can find a heat source hot
enough.

I just got a bit overexcited when I followed the excellent link to the
site of the previous post, and then there was the caveat about the
Brother series printers and using copiers instead! I've posted on the
problem with the Brothers here before. 1st attempt, less than 25%
transfer using P-n-P Blue; subsequent attempts using Epson Glossy
Photo paper and Staples 24# inkjet paper yielded mixed results. I was
able to touch up and use a board from the Glossy; the paper looked
perfect while soaking, but during the latter stages of gently rubbing
off the paper, most of the image came with it.

I have a sample inkjet transparency I'm going to try next. I'll also
try the homebrew roller technique shown in the link.

I'm keeping my eye out for a GBC 9" laminator. I'd like to see if the
rubber roller end bearings can be routed out in a slot to allow
greater than .032" capacity PCBs, with a lever device to move the
roller back and forth in the slots for different thicknesses. I do
have a lot of that .032" stock, but I bought it primarily to make
enclosures. It tends to warp a bit lengthwise, especially when using
double-sided stock for single-sided boards (one side etched away). I
haven't had a problem using it double-sided, though.

I have some examples on my web site at http:/www.kx4om.com. Click on
the link at the bottom of the page under "Making Printed Circuit
Boards". Also, there are a few under "Completed Projects" that show
some of the boards.

73,
Ted
--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "fenrir_co" <fenrir@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, "kilocycles" <kilocycles@>
> wrote:
> >
> > That's just great. I got the Brother 2040 to get ∗away∗ from the
> > freakin' copy machine!
> >
> > Ted
>
> The new Brother MFC line (I tried about three types) are the only
> printer I could not get to transfer at /all/ with the iron or the
> laminator when I was still testing transparencies. I have not tried it
> with the laser photo paper, but I suspect the fuser temperature is
> much higher than other laser printers.
>
> Both Canon and HP laser personal copiers worked perfectly well with
> press'n'peel. I did not get any perfect transfers with transparencies.
> The toner density on these seemed too low, it needs the extra layer of
> press'n'peel (or green TRF) to etch properly. I'd stay away from
> Brother printers after this, their new models must have a completely
> redesigned toner system.
>
> I have not tried any home color laser printers. However, I do notice
> that the black toner in a color laser photocopier tends to be much,
> much denser and even than the black in a monochrome copier. I suspect
> this is because it needs to be 'better' in order to print good
> quality copies of photos, etc. With a black printer, you're not going
> to notice if the toner isn't as solid and glossy, especially if you're
> just using it for text on paper. I would suspect that a home color
> laser would also be like this.
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