Hi Jeff
I am playing since 1980 in an Prog Rock Band. And of course the whole band like this kind of music and bands. I like also black music, Soul, Funk like Earth wind and fire, mothers finest, chic ... opera or rock opera like nightwish ... modern interessting tecno productions ...
I earn my money with italian spanisch a little bit french, english and even german dance music (german ...ei ei ei :-)
I wonder why germans reached such a low level. Especially the lyrics of german "Unterhaltungsmusik"
But there are exceptions. "No way back from Wolfsheim" e.g. ist a good song with great lyrics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icUC32-0WuYVery mathematical like "Lola rennt" but sensitiv too. ( I like mathematics.)
Can't be better written as you did :
> There is two kinds of music : good and bad, whatever the style...
> I was told that Yamaha tried to build a V.A. Prophet
Could be interessting. Prophet V is really another great polyphonic machine. Perhaps one of the best like Oberheim Matrix 12.
(Of course just my personal opinion).
GX1, CS60/80 sounds strange, crazy, vocal, because of Ring Modulation and Sub Oszillators a little bit like a Trautonium.
Prophet V is made for live performance, no experimental music. Sounds extreme analog, fat, expensive, noble. classic.
A little bit the direction i tried to tune the crazy :-) AN1x.
But you could be right :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_Circuits_Prophet-5 Oh no ! Now i have to test this Arturia Prophet V too :-) But my acoustic fealing says: AN1x ist closer to CS60/80.
The Preset CS80 Horn sounds really like a CS Horn. That cant do any other VA so close . And there are Trautonium Sounds even in the presets. But with feedback and edge parameters An1x can emulate a lot of machines. Different Oscillators and Filters.
It's just an great VA. I like it even more than some anaolg machines i owned.
> it is less "user friendly" than a lot of VAs.
Yes, thats really true. And the user manual is terrible. AN1X is an example for totally discoordination between engineers and
marketing, even programmers. Presets showing 10% of the potential of this machine.
Programming seems to be horrible. But if you'll take a closer look. There is a system ! Even a beginner can program this machine. Only using the fundametal functions and not the Controler Matrix.. And in the beginning not trying to understand the FM and Sync Functions. Edge Function is self explaining and An1X could be an easy Synth even for beginners.
But there will still remain the most complicated parameter of this Synth. This feedback, that really changes all dramatically.
That's the reason i created this little list concerning the waveforms.
http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/an1x_waves.txtIts easy . Use feedback between 30 and 45 to get an classical synthesizer. Yes any musican coose this without measuring :-)
Perhaps there exist some feedbackvalues around 80 to get even a more classical synthesizer. Find them using an Spectral Analyzer and make all An1X Users even more happy :-)
No. As a beginner dont try this.
Try it like this :
1) Use the fundemantal easy Sound engine of AN1X with classical feedback 30-45
2) Try to understand the AN1X FM/Sync Structures. FM and Sync cant be explained in words. So do your own experiments.
Perhaps you will create sounds never heard before. Explore parts of the FM and An1X FM/Sync world. No one is able to explore all parts of this world.
3) Now try to understand the An1X Matrix. Its horrible without An1x Editor. But its easy with Editor. Dont regard this Matrix only as a way to assign Controler Functions. Its much much more. Its the way to extend the beginners Sound machine.
Espacially the Parameter KEY TRACK will open you a new AN1X world.
Keyrandom is different from a LFO SH Function. Use it with Scene Detune to create analog detune fealings or whatever you can imagine.
4) Use Free EG as a vocoder . As an ARP Emulation. Use your fantasie.
5) SEQ. Look at great SEQ sound examples in this group. Some are amazing. How did this guy this Commodore C64 plus Bass Emulation. Learn not only by doing but also by copying :-)
I like this little blue machine very very much.
Greetings
richy
PS :
Thats an Trautonium :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trautonium ----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy
richardon a écrit :
> Hi Jeff
> Ah, you like more special, dirty sounds like the mellotron.
In fact i like progressive rock (Yes, Genesis and others...) jazz rock
(Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever..) or early electronic music
(Tangerine Dream ...) from the 70's . And a lot of other stuff , ethnic,
world music, blues, classical ... nearly everything ! There is two kinds
of music : good and bad, whatever the style...
> Do you know the Yamaha CS80 ?
Yes. Not directly, because it's a rare bird... One of the more
expensive, bulky and heavy synths ever made, if we except the modular
monsters from Moog or AKS.
> Here you can download a demo Version :
> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html
> Pictures of AN1X Waves do not look like Monomoog but like CS80. Its an CS clone. But escpecially the 24 dB Filter is different from CS80. CS80 Filter is producing two Formants combs if resonance is set to maximum. The reason it can sound so vocal.
>
Nothing surprising : both were manufactured by Yamaha. I was told that
Yamaha tried to build a V.A. Prophet V: it was the AN1x. Of course it is
probably some urban legend, and the 2 oscillator + multimode filter is
very common, i think it is the most common architecture for mono or poly
synths from the beginning.
> But if you chose An1X Feedback to 85 or 92 and Hi-pass about 50-70 AN1X 24 dB filter will change dramatically an will produce a similar charakter. But be careful with that and reduce Amplitude if you try it.
>
I agree with you, the AN1x is a very under rated machine. Maybe because
of its cheap look and because it is less "user friendly" than a lot of VAs.
> Greetings
I will try !
Cheers.
J.F.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy
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> Hello !
> i've tried your patches, some are amazing !
> the nr 2 mellotron sounds very close to the motion picture "The song
> remains the same" soundtrack
> with the 22 you can play a reasonable imitation of the final part of
> Yes' "Gates of Delirium". Not the same, because the solo synth is dubbed
> by Steve Howe playing a pedal steel guitar , but i think Rick Wakeman
> would be happy with "Diamonds" if his fellow was on strike...
> Some prog-rock stuff, thanks !
> Cheerzs.
> J.F.
>
> richardon a écrit :
> > Hi Jeff
> >
> >> You have a job in electronics engineering ?
> >>
> > Yes i studied electronics and sound engineering.
> >
> >
> >> grab an oscilloscope to look at the waveforms ...
> >>
> > You can use your soundcard for this and will be totally surprised what kind of Init Waveforms An1X is producing. Without feedback only peaks. Therefore the fundamental waves are damped.
> > Around feedback=30 you get the signal spectrum of the mathematic functions. But you won't see that, because the overtones are typical yamaha out of phase. But in www you get Spectral
> > analysers for free. Thin Waves with damped fundamentals or signal Generator functions produce a modern Sound, but sometimes you like it more musically like a minimoog. Look at minimoogs waveforms, There is a sine Wave added. The fundamentales emphased.
> > An1X is a great machine . He can even produce this with the feedback function.
> > With a spectral analyzer you will see it best.
> > It must be an accident, that presest sounds were programmed with feedback set to zero.
> > Of course this thin sounds are modern. But AN1X is a CS80 clone, vintage.
> >
> >
> >> sometimes emulations of "traditional" instruments can be very useful.
> >>
> > Yes, and if you programm e.g. the breath of a flute seperate you can controle it better than a
> > Rom player can do. Roland D50 had an little VA machine. So AN1x is able to produce D50
> > sounds. Only the spectral functions must be emulated via FM/Sync. Its also an interesting
> > execise to emulate other synthesizers. AN1X can do this with its feedback edge functions
> > very well.
> > Its Filter changes with feedback too and is very vocal. Together with FX/SYNC, Dely as Comb Filter and breath spectrals he can produce very authentic vocals. I hope so :-)
> > And he can spaek more words than "we all die". The AN1x fun examples show this. And of course he can even speak more words.
> > Of cause i like this crazy AN1X sounds too. Some examples in this group are really great.
> > EG this Atari emulations and of course JayB's great tecno Sounds. Aggressor and Accelerate
> > for example. Thats great work.
> >
> > I have a question. If i upload my sounds to the yahoo An1x group. Can i change them in future ?
> > I want to keep them up to date.
> > Ciao, au revoir
> > richy
> >
> > Sorry my bad english
> >
> > Nice sounds
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff
> > To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy
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> >
> > Welcome !
> > very impressive theoretical work : grab an oscilloscope to look at the
> > waveforms ... You have a job in electronics engineering ?
> > Nice sounds totraditional" instruments o, sometimes emulations of "can
> > be very useful.
> > Cheers.
> > J.F.
> >
> > richardon a écrit :
> > > Hi
> > > My name is richy an i live in Karlsruhe /Germany. I am new in AN1x Group.
> > > Thank you for the lot of sounds that can be found here. Wow great stuff !
> > > I own the An1X since 1996. A great flexible synthesizer. But in the beginning
> > > i had some problems to understand and programm it in all details.
> > > E.g. I didnt knew, that the AN1X only produces thin Pulswaveforms,if FEEDBACK ist
> > > set to zero. So i didn't use it for a while on stage.
> > > To get the parameters FEEDBACK and EDGE under controle i started to emulate waveforms
> > > of other synthesizers on AN1X. Using an Oszilloscope, Spectral Analyzer and my ears.
> > > BTW: AN1x never produces straight Wavepictures like SAW or REC. Because overtones
> > > are out of phase. So you have to use a Spectral Analyzer or your ears.
> > >
> > > Some results of this work. Perhaps the list is useful for you.
> > > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/an1x_waves.txt
> > > (My sounds file contains some templates for feedback and edge parameters)
> > > Next step I created some tuned FM sprectrals to emulate D50 Sounds.Spectrals are also
> > > useful for Voices, Flute Breath, Melotron, Arco Strings and so on. The PEG can be
> > > used as second polyphonic AEG or FEG in such spectral sounds.Thats good, because
> > > LFO and EG are not polyphonic. Controling PWM via PEG you have for all waves a simple
> > > second polyphonic AEG.
> > > Of course for Organs its better to use the Free EG for typical B3 Legato Pecussion.
> > > I used another PW Trick in my Organ Sounds to get 888 up to Full Drawbars plus Legato
> > > B3 Percussion and Keyclick in one Scene. Template was my old and new CX3.
> > >
> > > Now her are my sounds :
> > > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/richy_5_11.an1
> > >
> > > I tried to opimize my sounds for stage, therefore they are more traditionell.
> > > For example I like to play the Vibraphone Sound during Dinner Music Gigs.
> > > An1x can do this as good as a rompler machine. A simple sound, but it was a lot
> > > of work to create it exactly like the template. With some classical Drum machines,
> > > left hand base you can even play Jazz Standards on AN1x :-)
> > >
> > > Hope you like it. Dont wonder about some delay settings e.g. in mellotron or
> > > vocal sounds. The Delay FX can also be used as an "Comb Filter"
> > > Very good to emphasis Formants or simulate Phase Errors of older Instruments.
> > >
> > > With best regards
> > > Thomas Richardon
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