<div dir="ltr">Chris,<br><br>Thanks for your thoughts on this. After another round of experimentation I'm once again leaning towards a transistor-based solution; I wasn't really able to come up with a realistic use case where the op-amp seemed much better. I'm also thinking about your question of the wire-OR function really being worthwhile. I have a fine dedicated OR module and sometimes, it's nice to not have what seems like "hidden" functionality.<div><br></div><div>-Paul</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 25, 2024 at 11:42 AM Chris McDowell <<a href="mailto:declareupdate@gmail.com">declareupdate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">K one more.<div><br></div><div>What happens here is the more outputs you OR together in this way, the lower that 22k looks and the more voltage develops across your 1k resistor, which basically wont ever really matter. I still think tempting your op amp to overshoot or whatever funky thing it wants to do with your diode and cable capacitance is unnecessary given that a 220R resistor in series with the diode would handle it. or put the parallel R and C from output to minus input like you know you're supposed to :P </div><div><br></div><div>in my personal system, everything has some manner of 100k to ground on the inputs and I would leave the 22k out entirely. I guess what I would <i>actually</i> do is build an explicit OR module. </div><div><br id="m_7768107921198585335lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Cheers,<div>Chris </div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 25, 2024, at 11:20 AM, Chris McDowell <<a href="mailto:declareupdate@gmail.com" target="_blank">declareupdate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">This is like swapping your output resistor with a diode, which means your capacitive load is only, yknow, capacitively loading when the diode is conducting. I don't think there is a lot of value in putting the output resistor in the feedback loop for gate outputs, as we'd usually do that to increase DC accuracy at the receiving equipment. I would move your output resistor out of the feedback loop to take stability out of the conversation. You then have something pretty normal that will OR with similar outputs, up to some limit where all your 100ks (and whatever all the various input resistances) in parallel are too low a resistance to get your gates across. that's a lot, though. <div><div><br id="m_7768107921198585335lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr">Cheers,<div>Chris </div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Nov 24, 2024, at 12:42 PM, Paul Glass-Steel via Synth-diy <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I'm hoping to improve on the typical transistor emitter-follower, wire-OR capable gate output buffer that many of my modules have inherited from CGS and NLC. I've come up with this: <a href="https://tinyurl.com/259pt83t" target="_blank">https://tinyurl.com/259pt83t</a> - it seems happy on my bench, the voltage is stable under a lot of fan-out to multiple inputs and it seems ok with long cables / capacitive loads. But I thought I'd check here to see if I'm missing something.<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>-Paul<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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