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Oh boy do I remember the arguments at HP in the 70s when it was decided to add the dots and remove the jump-overs on schematics across the whole corporation.</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Not a good idea to recommend Buchla schematics for student level EEs. Buchla did not place dots on junctions. You'd have to have a solid foundation of circuits to decipher those.</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:16 AM Mike Bryant <<a href="mailto:mbryant@futurehorizons.com" id="OWA8d2ba761-bf9c-3bf1-2001-f32a277e591a" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">mbryant@futurehorizons.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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Those are exactly the types of circuits than production and test hate. Nice separate blocks with clearly defined inputs and outputs make their lives a lot easier. </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 13 May 2024 12:47<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Donald Tillman <<a href="mailto:don@till.com" id="OWAafb26324-61fb-53bc-a497-8bcabda1317c" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">don@till.com</a>>; David G Dixon <<a href="mailto:dixon@mail.ubc.ca" id="OWAcbf50574-56ae-1dba-fe9e-1ddef7952273" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">dixon@mail.ubc.ca</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sdiy] Becoming better at understanding difficult analog schematics</span>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Buchla schematics (at least the few I've seen) are fascinating. There is an incredible economy of design -- where many/most designers' circuits can easily be broken down into blocks that can be understood separately, with Buchla
circuits you'll see a weird resistor or capacitor (or something) that doesn't make sense until you really dig into it, and it turns out that the designer has merged the functionality of blocks together, or added something analogous to a fixed tone control
or something. Definitely from someone who liked to get their hands dirty at the bench!</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:34 AM Mike Bryant <<a href="mailto:mbryant@futurehorizons.com" id="OWAa5b72b5c-956d-4975-713d-a130bb5693d4" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">mbryant@futurehorizons.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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Maybe that's the real difference between East Coast and West Coast synthesis :-)</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 13 May 2024 08:20<br>
<b>To:</b> David G Dixon <<a href="mailto:dixon@mail.ubc.ca" id="OWA2cda460b-101d-f0e0-828b-9ea0e65f17f2" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">dixon@mail.ubc.ca</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sdiy] Becoming better at understanding difficult analog schematics</span>
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<div style="direction: ltr; font-size: 11pt;">On May 12, 2024, at 10:43 PM, David G Dixon via Synth-diy <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" id="OWAba402c4d-38a8-3341-9c91-0b457df301f5" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>>
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> I hear you, Paulo! I have a very hard time reading some schematics. One good example are Buchla schematics, which I find almost impossible to decipher.<br>
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I got no problem with them, man. :-)<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> 16 May 2024 06:03<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Sarah Thompson <plodger@gmail.com>; ackolonges fds via Synth-diy <synth-diy@synth-diy.org><br>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Not a good idea to recommend Buchla schematics for student level EEs. Buchla did not place dots on junctions. You'd have to have a solid foundation of circuits to decipher those.</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:16 AM Mike Bryant <<a href="mailto:mbryant@futurehorizons.com" id="OWAab5b75c9-205f-d6c3-f80b-1f8db73f0155" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">mbryant@futurehorizons.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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Those are exactly the types of circuits than production and test hate. Nice separate blocks with clearly defined inputs and outputs make their lives a lot easier. </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 13 May 2024 12:47<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Donald Tillman <<a href="mailto:don@till.com" id="OWA8c8f7307-6298-7007-bb3d-f666e4ca543b" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">don@till.com</a>>; David G Dixon <<a href="mailto:dixon@mail.ubc.ca" id="OWA94302e1b-9af4-15ee-16a1-c33027f1339f" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">dixon@mail.ubc.ca</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sdiy] Becoming better at understanding difficult analog schematics</span>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Buchla schematics (at least the few I've seen) are fascinating. There is an incredible economy of design -- where many/most designers' circuits can easily be broken down into blocks that can be understood separately, with Buchla
circuits you'll see a weird resistor or capacitor (or something) that doesn't make sense until you really dig into it, and it turns out that the designer has merged the functionality of blocks together, or added something analogous to a fixed tone control
or something. Definitely from someone who liked to get their hands dirty at the bench!</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 8:34 AM Mike Bryant <<a href="mailto:mbryant@futurehorizons.com" id="OWAe99210d8-1825-9522-ea34-478043da3038" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">mbryant@futurehorizons.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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Maybe that's the real difference between East Coast and West Coast synthesis :-)</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> 13 May 2024 08:20<br>
<b>To:</b> David G Dixon <<a href="mailto:dixon@mail.ubc.ca" id="OWA18bc4218-c818-16c6-6933-762224097b73" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">dixon@mail.ubc.ca</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sdiy] Becoming better at understanding difficult analog schematics</span>
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<div style="direction: ltr; font-size: 11pt;">On May 12, 2024, at 10:43 PM, David G Dixon via Synth-diy <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" id="OWAf44796ff-a45e-c87b-1f97-f53ac1dec142" class="OWAAutoLink" data-loopstyle="linkonly">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>>
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> I hear you, Paulo! I have a very hard time reading some schematics. One good example are Buchla schematics, which I find almost impossible to decipher.<br>
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I got no problem with them, man. :-)<br>
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-- Don<br>
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