<div dir="auto">Hi Tom,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Nice to see you reply! Your website's info on BBD's was a joy to read, and your digital solution to covering both the lfo and clock circuits is my fallback for when it does not work out in the analog domain. For another project I just ordered a stomplfo IC, so will enjoy your work in any case.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As for flanging, it would be nice if it could be achieved without the need for a separate BBD with fewer stages (that would not work well for chorusing), hence my interest in pushing to higher frequencies, so that I achieve chorus and flanging with the same BBD.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I already glanced at the DoubleDeka design mentioned earlier in this thread. Great idea, though involving a very expensive part! I was hoping to find a cheaper way. Exponentiating with the 2164, and feeding an integrated linear hf VCO is perhaps my best option? And then buffering the output to obtain sufficient current drive if needed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rutger</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op di 7 feb. 2023 21:14 schreef Tom Wiltshire <<a href="mailto:tom@electricdruid.net">tom@electricdruid.net</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Yes, BBDs are still produced by both CoolAudio and Xvive. There are various types available, covering 1024, 2048, and 4096 stage devices.<div><br></div><div>For flangers, getting the delay short enough is usually the problem. It's easy to make a delay of a few msecs, but pushing the clock higher to get really short delays and notches that go way up (0.2msec = 2.5KHz, 180 degrees out of phase, for example) is much harder. 500KHz is good, but only just enough.</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div><div><div><div><br></div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 7 Feb 2023, at 18:55, rrsounds via Synth-diy <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Generally speaking, BBD devices have a limited number of “buckets." The faster you cycle through them, the shorter the delay. 500kHz is going to result in a pretty short delay. On the positive side, the S/N is also related to cycling rate, resulting in a much cleaner result at higher rates. <div>Are BBDs even still produced?</div><div>David Reaves<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 7, 2023, at 19:18:08PM, Rutger Vlek via Synth-diy <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Dear list,</span><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">For a while I've been working on a guitar pedal board for personal use. I'm about to build the second revision of a solid state pre-amp, and was thinking about possible modulation effects too. I would love a nice (stereo) BBD flanger/chorus, but felt a bit fed-up with all the 'classic' designs, particularly the traditional clocking scheme, usually with a limited range, lack of current drive (to overcome capacitance of the BBD clock input) and strictly linear modulation (calling for a hyper-triangle modulation source).</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Having some experience with designing saw- and tri-core VCO's around the 2164, I was wondering how easy it would be to push the design of a typical tri-core VCO with an 2164-based expo converter into higher frequencies (let's say up to 500kHz) and use it to clock a BBD? Has anyone tried? Or are there fundamental reasons why such frequencies are not possible? I've never (intentionally) worked with circuits outside of the audio bandwidth...</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Rutger</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Synth-diy mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a><br><a href="http://synth-diy.org/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://synth-diy.org/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy</a><br>Selling or trading? Use <a href="mailto:marketplace@synth-diy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">marketplace@synth-diy.org</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div>