<div dir="ltr">My day job is as a Chief Engineer for some FM radio stations. Our FM transmitters use SMPSUs. In fact, my 40KW fm transmitter has 32 switch-mode power supplies in it (there's a fair bit of redundancy).<div><br></div><div>If switch mode power supplies can push out FM radio signals at an effective radiated power of 100,000 watts without spurious emissions, I think they can be made pretty clean.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 10:25 AM <<a href="mailto:rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk">rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">There are good and bad SMPSUs. I've been responsible for EMC compliance <br>
of products at several places I've worked over the years, so have seen <br>
examples of some very good supplies, and also some real shockers. <br>
Sometimes literally! (>.<)<br>
<br>
I won't go into the details but certain supplies like flyback (wall-wart <br>
phone chargers) are notoriously noisy but you have to realise that they <br>
are made down to a target price, size and weight. So they don't waste <br>
any money, space or weight on removing any more conducted and radiated <br>
emissions than they absolutely need to in order to achieve compliance <br>
whilst charging the battery in your cell phone!<br>
<br>
One of the last bastions of the analogue linear power supply used to be <br>
in RF communications receivers because the harmonic spectrum of a <br>
high-power switcher used to put all sorts of "birdies" across the <br>
spectrum of a sensitive broadband radio receiver. But these days even <br>
high-end radio receivers have switched-mode power supplies inside them. <br>
It just means that they are well designed and people have learned how to <br>
manage things like common-mode noise and stop it getting into the RF <br>
front-end or the audio output.<br>
<br>
-Richie,<br>
<br>
<br>
On 2022-08-02 17:50, Mattias Rickardsson wrote:<br>
> Maybe it's possible to find some of those interference problems if you<br>
> combine an old or unrefined SMPS design with the old original<br>
> unshielded JP-8 PCB layout, but as a general "truth" it sounds quite<br>
> false. :-)<br>
> <br>
> /mr<br>
> <br>
> Den tis 2 aug. 2022 18:23Tom Wiltshire <<a href="mailto:tom@electricdruid.net" target="_blank">tom@electricdruid.net</a>> skrev:<br>
> <br>
>> +1 agree with Rob, evidence is definitely required for for such a<br>
>> bold claim.<br>
>> <br>
>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 16:51, rob hukin <<a href="mailto:rob@audiocircus.co.uk" target="_blank">rob@audiocircus.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> *citation required<br>
>> <br>
>> rob.<br>
>> <br>
>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 16:46, Josh Nursing via Synth-diy<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> SMPS are the most polluting/noisy PSUs for audio purposes. Lots of<br>
>> high-frequency current spikes affect both downstream circuits and<br>
>> the mains they're connected to.<br>
>> <br>
>> And before you start telling me about filtering the output of them,<br>
>> that does absolutely nothing for the mains-side noise.<br>
>> <br>
>> Effects on audio are across the board - all audio frequencies<br>
>> suffer, and it's probably more noticeable in loss of bass<br>
>> frequencies.<br>
>> <br>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 11:41 AM Mike Bryant<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:mbryant@futurehorizons.com" target="_blank">mbryant@futurehorizons.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> How can audio suffer from putting a PSU in with 100 times better<br>
>> performance ? No 50/100Hz at all and general noise almost zero.<br>
>> And it’s far less heat so everything else runs cooler and better.<br>
>> I think too many people see the noise from their phone charger or<br>
>> whatever and assume a proper SMPS is like that.<br>
>> <br>
>> From: Synth-diy [mailto:<a href="mailto:synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org</a>] On Behalf<br>
>> Of Josh Nursing via Synth-diy<br>
>> Sent: 02 August 2022 16:35<br>
>> To: Synth DIY<br>
>> Subject: Re: [sdiy] Help with Jupiter 8 clone<br>
>> <br>
>> I really don't like the idea of replacing the linear PSU in those<br>
>> vintage synths with a SMPS one. Audio suffers.<br>
>> <br>
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 7:45 AM Adam (synthDIY)<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:synthdiy@adambaby.com" target="_blank">synthdiy@adambaby.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> Luís, I assume you’re aware of this<br>
>> <br>
>> <a href="https://synthronics.de/roland-jupiter-8-new-psu/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://synthronics.de/roland-jupiter-8-new-psu/</a><br>
>> <br>
>> and this guy, who has been ominously quiet of late<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
> <a href="https://jup8restoration.wordpress.com/2019/10/22/new-power-supply-being-manufactured-for-a-jupiter-8/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://jup8restoration.wordpress.com/2019/10/22/new-power-supply-being-manufactured-for-a-jupiter-8/</a><br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> A<br>
>> <br>
>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 3:57 am, Luís Marka via Synth-diy<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> Hi guys,<br>
>> <br>
>> I am giving a serious thought about building a Jupiter 8 clone, and<br>
>> started to take a deeper look at the schematics (actually I already<br>
>> ordered some of the parts, so it looks like I will get it done<br>
>> eventually). In the PSU there are three GP-30G diodes tied at the<br>
>> -15, +15 and +5V outputs, listed as "Hi-Fi Special" both in the<br>
>> schematics and in the parts list. I never heard anything about a<br>
>> "hi-fi special" diode, any idea what that means??<br>
>> <br>
>> Cheers!<br>
>> <br>
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