<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op ma 14 feb. 2022 13:04 schreef Spiros Makris <<a href="mailto:spirosmakris92@gmail.com" target="_blank">spirosmakris92@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Although it's not what you are looking for, I found this paper very interesting in terms of describing and accurately tuning this non-linearity to make it work for you. <a href="http://www.openmusiclabs.com/files/otasine.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.openmusiclabs.com/files/otasine.pdf</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's a great paper indeed, I already encountered it a while back, when I was reading about sine shapers, cusp cancelling and a new (or arguably rediscovered) approach proposal by Don Tillman.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 22:18, Rutger Vlek via Synth-diy <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi Richie,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope you don't mind me bumping up an old thread. I was reading back what you wrote in 2018 and wondered if you could refer me to more background information on filter saturation. I'd like to understand what happens in a ladder filter, and weather something musically similar could also be recreated in other ways (e.g. in other topologies than a ladder). If you have an opinion on the latter, please share!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Rutger</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Op vr 9 nov. 2018 10:51 schreef <<a href="mailto:rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">When you over-drive OTA based 1-pole "leaky integrator" stages, you <br>
actually get a signal dependent shift in the cutoff frequency as the OTA <br>
saturates, rather than what you would typically describe as "clipping". <br>
This behaviour is down to the way in which the OTA and filter capacitor <br>
are wrapped up inside a negative feedback loop. The behaviour is quite <br>
like how the cutoff frequency of the Moog ladder filter changes <br>
dynamically with drive signal level. It is much more musical that <br>
simple signal clipping.<br>
<br>
-Richie,<br>
<br>
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On 2018-11-09 08:48, Rutger Vlek wrote:<br>
> Hi Jacob,<br>
> <br>
>> This also ensures that the clipping happens in the chip used for the<br>
>> integrators, and not in the OTA's, which sound bad when overdriven.<br>
> <br>
> I presume you refer to the OTA in the VCA that controls the drive<br>
> level? Or do you mean OTAs inside your integrators? In the latter case<br>
> I don't understand what you're saying (sorry)...<br>
> <br>
> Rutger<br>
> <br>
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>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 3:32 PM Rutger Vlek <<a href="mailto:rutgervlek@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">rutgervlek@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> Hi guys,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I've been wondering about many things lately, hence the flood of<br>
>>> emails to the list :). I also have to admit feeling a bit stupid<br>
>>> about having to ask this.. but here goes:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> What's the best approach to designing a voltage controlled<br>
>>> overdrive? The obvious solution I can think of is having a<br>
>>> saturation element preceded by a VCA. While I haven't fully done<br>
>>> my homework on it yet, my guts tell me that this isn't the best<br>
>>> circuit in terms of noise behaviour, as it would require the<br>
>>> saturation element to be at high gain constantly while the VCA<br>
>>> various input level. Meaning that any VCA noise would be amplified<br>
>>> by the full gain of the saturation element. In guitar stomp boxes,<br>
>>> some design place a pot in the feedback loop of an opamp to change<br>
>>> gain. Could a similar approach work well for a VC-drive unit and<br>
>>> would it perform better/worse than the first solution I proposed?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Finally, I've been thinking about making drive level voltage<br>
>>> controlled via power supply to the saturation element (transistor<br>
>>> in this case). Feeding the control voltage into a buffer that puts<br>
>>> out the supply to a transistor would also allow to change drive<br>
>>> level.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> What do you think? How it this typically done? I just bought a<br>
>>> Novation Peak, and am impressed with it's three stages of<br>
>>> overdrive although it suffers from noise issues due to the amounts<br>
>>> of again at hand. It makes me wonder how I would design such a<br>
>>> stage myself.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Rutger<br>
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