<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thanks to all for the responses, I apologize for hijacking the thread.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 19, 2021, at 6:50 AM, Adam Inglis (synthDIY) <<a href="mailto:synthdiy@adambaby.com" class="">synthdiy@adambaby.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 19 Dec 2021, at 20:47, Gordonjcp <<a href="mailto:gordonjcp@gjcp.net" class="">gordonjcp@gjcp.net</a>> wrote:</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class="">So I guess the MPC60 must use some sort of software PLL to evenly double up the incoming clock pulses to get 48ppcn clocks. The Roland W30 has something like 192ppcn and also responds to external MIDI clock, so it must do some very clever measurement - or, perhaps, when you get that fine you don't really notice a bit of wibbly-wobbly clocking.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’ve not used a W30, but I understand it’s sequencer runs the standard Roland “Super MRC” software that runs on the MC-300, MC-500 and MC-50 midi sequencers, and that runs at 96ppqn, not 192.</div><div class="">Also swing or shuffle aren’t actually even mentioned in the manual, and there is no specific setting for this, you have to do a little trick with the quantize function.</div><div class="">Another problem is that various companies don’t stick to a standard when it comes to using the “percent” terminology.</div><div class="">Roger Linn explains it thus:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size: 11px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Merriweather, Georgia, serif; font-size: 15px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial;" class="">"My implementation of swing has always been very simple: I merely delay the second 16th note within each 8th note. In other words, I delay all the even-numbered 16th notes within the beat (2, 4, 6, 8, etc.) In my products I describe the swing amount in terms of the ratio of time duration between the first and second 16th notes within each 8th note. For example, 50% is no swing, meaning that both 16th notes within each 8th note are given equal timing. And 66% means perfect triplet swing, meaning that the first 16th note of each pair gets 2/3 of the time, and the second 16th note gets 1/3, so the second 16th note falls on a perfect 8th note triplet."</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">but Cubase has another method altogether!!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Gordon you said 67% sounds “lumpy”… but that’s just triplets! It shouldn’t sound lumpy… unless not everyone is in sync!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I take a look at some of this stuff here</div><div class=""><a href="https://mezzoauto.blogspot.com/2017/08/swing-conversion.html" class="">https://mezzoauto.blogspot.com/2017/08/swing-conversion.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">WRT to Spiros original enquiry, I don’t understand why you need to drastically change your clock PPQN numbers in order to experiment with polymeter rhythms… but then, I’m not using modular gear. </div><div class="">What you definitely do need is rock solid clocking at whatever your chosen resolution, so that any subtleties like the push and pull of swing aren’t lost in the jitter.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A</div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Synth-diy mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Synth-diy@synth-diy.org" class="">Synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a><br class="">http://synth-diy.org/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy<br class="">Selling or trading? Use marketplace@synth-diy.org<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>