<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">A synth manufacturer jumps the shark when they try to give customers what they think they want, instead of what they would want if they knew what they really could have.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 22, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Mike Bryant <<a href="mailto:mbryant@futurehorizons.com" class="">mbryant@futurehorizons.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Yes the 303 obviously came good for them in the end, but at the time they were losing money hand over fist, not just on the 303 but on lots of other half-completed designs they flooded onto the market in an attempt to survive. They had a huge bank loan and the interest payments were high.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">He did stop production in the early 80s to clear inventory, but I heard it built back up again very quickly later on. In the 1980s the Japanese were the experts as manufacturing, even more so than China is now, and so as soon as you turned on a production line you invariably had a glut of products. JIT always seemed to apply just to the end of the production line, not to the poor dealers trying to sell the stuff. We have seen the same thing nowadays with car manufacture, fields full of vehicles because despite JIT and so on, it’s impossible to turn off the production flow. Or if you do, you can’t restart it, as the current semiconductor shortage is highlighting.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">It’s not quite accurately documented in Sound on Sound’s five part History of Roland which is well worth a read<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><a href="https://www.soundonsound.com/music-business/history-roland-part-1" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.soundonsound.com/music-business/history-roland-part-1</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Obviously anyone in the business back in the 80s has a story to tell of what they (and everyone else) seemed to get wrong, and sometimes get right. To me it was the electronic pianos that saved them even though also to me the Yamaha’s sounded better. But others may have different opinions on how Roland turned things around. Their accounts are as clear as any Japanese company’s, so we’ll never really know the whole truth.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>mark verbos [<a href="mailto:markverbos@gmail.com" class="">mailto:markverbos@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>22 November 2021 15:06<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mike Bryant<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Adam Inglis (synthDIY); <a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" class="">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [sdiy] AS3394E: Practical power supply?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Did Roland really lose millions on it after repackaging the sounds and concept a million times? It seems they can barely make a product without referencing this”fiasco” in one way or another.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Mark<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On Nov 21, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Mike Bryant via Synth-diy <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Well I suppose somebody must have bought one before Roland canned the fiasco (and lost millions doing so apparently). Bet the band made more selling the thing a decade later than on this record. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">So long ago now but was it Studio Sound that reviewed it on its release and couldn’t see the point of it ? Afraid I still don’t.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Adam Inglis (synthDIY) [<a href="mailto:synthdiy@adambaby.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:synthdiy@adambaby.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>21 November 2021 00:54<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mike Bryant<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>chris;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [sdiy] AS3394E: Practical power supply?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Ah, c'mon Mike, stop being such a fuddy-duddy !<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">You’ve clearly never heard this 303 masterpiece<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.discogs.com/release/2108668-Charanjit-Singh-Synthesizing-Ten-Ragas-To-A-Disco-Beat" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.discogs.com/release/2108668-Charanjit-Singh-Synthesizing-Ten-Ragas-To-A-Disco-Beat</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">A<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On 21 Nov 2021, at 6:46 am, Mike Bryant via Synth-diy <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class="">No you're right. The TB-303 was utter crap and few bands actually used it when it was released, and rightfully discontinued a couple of years later. <br class="">Quite how and why it then gain popularity is one of the great mysteries of our time, and shows how fast music went downhill as the last century progressed.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Synth-diy [<a href="mailto:synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org</a>] On Behalf Of chris<br class="">Sent: 20 November 2021 18:34<br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [sdiy] AS3394E: Practical power supply?<br class=""><br class="">On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 17:47:47 +0100 cheater cheater <<a href="mailto:cheater00social@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">cheater00social@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 7:07 PM chris <<a href="mailto:chris@chrismusic.de" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">chris@chrismusic.de</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class="">I think the word of caution is not against smps in general, but<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">w.r.t. a filthy +5V going to a micro controller, including all<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">current/voltage spikes coming from digital operation.<br class="">Before you know it, you may hear something like a software LED<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">refresh rate on the supply line.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class="">Are you saying the TB-303 does not have The Sound? Blasphemy!<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Oh, now I understand. The TB-303 never had an oscillator. It just used LED bleed as a sound source. And since the processor wasn't fast enough for higher refresh rates, it was marketed as a bass machine. Now it all fits together...<br class=""><br class="">Actually, I never cared for 303s at all. I wasn't even tempted to get me a VA emulation for some 300 bucks.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">So I'm not just blasphemic, I am the opposite of a real believer.<br class="">Ok, now I can expect the Spanish Inquisition to come after me.<br class="">(Even though they say "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!")<br class=""><br class="">Chris<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Synth-diy mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Synth-diy@synth-diy.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://synth-diy.org/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://synth-diy.org/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy</a><br class="">Selling or trading? 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