<div dir="auto">Serge systems used a circuit referred to as the “clone”. It was closely related to the blackmer gain cell. Modern Random Source Serge implementations use the THAT2180 / 2162 heavily. </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 11:15 PM Ben Bradley via Synth-diy <<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">I just posted this in a thread on Analog Heaven, and it reminds me to<br>
ask here. There's been a dbx "Blackmer cell" high-quality VCA circuit<br>
since the 1970s, but as far as I know its only use has been in<br>
recording studio equipment. Has this device ever been used in a music<br>
synthesizer or (guitar-type) effects pedal? I presume my explanation<br>
below (much high cost than CA3080) is why not, but does anyone know<br>
more?<br>
<br>
Post to AH:<br>
<br>
There's a "pro-audio quality" (much lower distortion and noise than<br>
OTA-based circuits) VCA based on a Blackmer cell (apparently Patent #<br>
US3714462) - it's a different circuit from the long-tail-pair based<br>
OTA circuit, and I presume the reason it's not seen in music<br>
synthesizers is because of dbx (now THAT Corp) holding the patent, and<br>
only making and selling chips rather than licensing the patent to<br>
anyone else, and the much greater cost of the chips. As far as I know<br>
the chips have always been several dollars each, many times the CA3080<br>
when it was in production. I would have thought the Blackmer patent<br>
would have run out by now, I don't know of any other manufacturer<br>
using the Blackmer cell design.<br>
<br>
The article in the first link says "The voltage-controlled amplifiers<br>
found in most recording consoles and analog effects products are based<br>
on the "Blackmer gain cell" developed by David Blackmer of dbx, Inc."<br>
- I've been familiar with their use in recording consoles, and the<br>
"analog effects" here surely refers to studio compressors, companders<br>
and noise gates. I've not heard of Blackmer cell VCAs ever being used<br>
in effects such as guitar pedals - I've only heard of CA3080 and<br>
similar chips (which when in production cost less than a dollar) used<br>
in such effects and music synthesizers. I'm a bit surprised no synth<br>
maker used these, as they're worth the extra price in some<br>
applications, such as setting the "final output" volume control for<br>
each patch. If I recall correctly, the Chroma Polaris used a CA3080<br>
there.<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.thatcorp.com/History_of_VCAs.shtml" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.thatcorp.com/History_of_VCAs.shtml</a><br>
<a href="https://www.edn.com/gain-control/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.edn.com/gain-control/</a><br>
<a href="https://patents.google.com/patent/US3714462" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://patents.google.com/patent/US3714462</a><br>
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