<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>If you’re doing Eurorack / synth / pedal stuff, why not talk to Joshua Holley from Malekko / Dark Place MFG in Oregon? Can also feature distribution if necessary. </div><div><br></div><a href="https://darkplacemfg.com/">https://darkplacemfg.com/</a><br><br><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Todd<br class=""></span><div class=""><div class=""><br></div><div class=""><font color="#000000" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"></font></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 26, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Mike Bryant via Synth-diy <synth-diy@synth-diy.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br><span>I can assure you aerospace quality (which we also use in telecoms network products as they also need extended lifetimes) is most definitely around 100 times more expensive than Chinese commercial quality in the UK. UK commercial quality PCBs are about 5-10 times as you say, but not many companies in the UK even offer that now unless you are doing 5ku/month. I notice even RPT (the Pi lot), who definitely have the volume, now import some of their blank PCBs from China and just have them loaded at Sony Brigend in Wales.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I don't know where you are, but in the UK customs now charge on the estimated value of the product if it is declared as FOC, e.g. samples. Or my suspicion is they often just bin it as not worth the paperwork.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: Roman Sowa [mailto:modular@go2.pl] </span><br><span>Sent: 26 August 2021 14:34</span><br><span>To: Mike Bryant; Synth-diy</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Best chinese PCB manufacturer (cheap and fast) to Canada and USA ?</span><br><span></span><br><span>More like 5-10, not 100 times more expensive.</span><br><span>And only if you order more than typical DIYer for home use.</span><br><span>For small runs or prototypes this gets cheaper than China, because of shipping and customs cost.</span><br><span></span><br><span>There's also this free offer with free shipping from allPCB I have to try yet. Not sure how our customs would react for free stuff with free shipping.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Roman</span><br><span></span><br><span>W dniu 2021-08-26 o 12:18, Mike Bryant pisze:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Yes the aerospace/defence/telecoms PCB manufacturers are of course better, but at least 100 times more expensive. I changed over to Chinese suppliers in 1999 and whilst slower delivery back then the quality was better than the commercial quality UK suppliers, and a bit cheaper.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Nowadays JLCPCB, PCBWAY and other suppliers far exceed any quality I was getting back then - production techniques improve over time of course. And of course prices are unbelievably cheap. I have heard JLCPCB panelization is poor but I never use that. What I do like is their cleanly routed edges - no burrs or other stuff needing touching up with sandpaper before sliding it into the case guides.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The other place China scores is on PCB loading. Setup charges of several hundred pounds quite typical in the UK, including £100 charge for a $2 laser stencil !</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Roman Sowa [mailto:modular@go2.pl]</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: 26 August 2021 10:25</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Mike Bryant; Synth-diy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: synth-diy@synth-diy.org</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Best chinese PCB manufacturer (cheap and fast) to Canada and USA ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I would argue about quality. There are PCB houses in my country making even higher quality than JLCPCB and others. They also offer fast service.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Unfortunately they are much more expensive, I used them only when I had to from various reasons.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>My impression is that JLCPCB is cheaper than PCBWAY, but slightly inferior quality. Also, PCBWAY does the panelization way better than JLCPCB. If I want routing, I'd rather make the design already panelized by meself for JLC.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Roman</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>W dniu 2021-08-25 o 22:38, Mike Bryant pisze:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Agreed. Faster than and much cheaper than any European supplier, and quality is higher.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Synth-diy [mailto:synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org] On Behalf Of </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Chris McDowell via Synth-diy</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: 25 August 2021 21:25</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: doug@synthark.com</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: synth-diy@synth-diy.org</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Best chinese PCB manufacturer (cheap and fast) to Canada and USA ?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm also using JLCPCB. great prices and wildly affordable low volume assembly.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>chris</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my iPhone</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Aug 25, 2021, at 3:07 PM, doug@synthark.com wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm currently using JLCPCB, but I've used Seeed Studio previously (no complaints, just better pricing through JLC).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>---</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Doug Huseby</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://synthark.com</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>http://synthark.org</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 2021-08-25 13:39, Jean-Pierre Desrochers wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm sure this topic has been talked about but here is my question:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Anybody has and still uses a good chinese PCB manufacturer for his pcbs ?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cheap and fast.. delivery to Canada and USA ?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>-For very small quantity (1-5 pcbs) -Small sizes pcbs (mostly < 25 </span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>square inches) ??</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote 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