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size=2 face=Arial>Then it's dead, because it isn't worth a tenth of
that.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Synth-diy
[mailto:synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jimmy
Moore<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 06, 2020 1:12 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Mark
G<BR><B>Cc:</B> synth-diy@synth-diy.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [sdiy]
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<DIV dir=ltr>The number suggested in a separate muffwigglers thread was $1
million for a complete buy-out.</DIV><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr class=gmail_attr>On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:18 AM Mark G via
Synth-diy <<A
href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</A>>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Maybe we just figure out a way through gofundme or something
similar to raise enough money so that Bernie gets an immediate influx of cash
plus enough additional to pay someone else to do all the work so that he can
continue to sell copies. That way they stay available, Bernie makes some
money, he controls all the sales and process, he retains the rights to do
whatever he wants to in the future, someone else does the work. If it doesn't
work out at least people got a chance to purchase a copy again for a period,
and Bernie gets a chunk of upfront money. Plus hopefully it generates
additional interest in Electronotes so that there is a reasonable sales stream
for a period generating more money for Bernie. <BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Mark</FONT><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: BrightBoy <<A href="mailto:jdec@mindspring.com"
target=_blank>jdec@mindspring.com</A>><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org"
target=_blank>synth-diy@synth-diy.org</A><BR>Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2020 12:02
pm<BR>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question<BR><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr>I should clarify that AES membership is around $200/year with the
PRINTED JOURNAL option.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>It's cheaper if you are happy with PDF copies of the
journal.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>Jeff<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>-----Original Message-----<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>From: BrightBoy <<A href="mailto:jdec@mindspring.com"
target=_blank>jdec@mindspring.com</A>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>Sent: Nov 5, 2020 11:54 AM<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>To: SDIY <<A href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org"
target=_blank>synth-diy@synth-diy.org</A>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>I just had another idea in chatting with another SDIY member
on FB.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>Perhaps Bernie should donate the entire EN collection to the
Audio Engineering Society (AES)<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>I can't imagine them turning that away and would want to see
it archived.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>If you want access, you become an AES member (about
$200/year)<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>Clearly they know how to scan and archive stuff as all their
journals and<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>conference proceedings are available for download.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>All AES members have free access to their entire
library.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>And it furthers the organization.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>A nice living legacy.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>Jeff<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>-----Original Message-----<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>From: "Chromatest J. Pantsmaker" <BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>Sent: Nov 5, 2020 11:36 AM<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>To: Gordonjcp <BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>Cc: SDIY <BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>I hate to say it, but when Bernard passes, somebody is going
to make digital copies and start selling them. They're going to be
low-quality, even if they're high-quality scans. A scanned-to-PDF
document is never as nice as a designed-for-PDF document. Without
somebody like Bernard being emotionally involved enough to be doing the QC,
the product isn't going to be very good. It likely won't be searchable,
maybe there's a TOC, but it won't link to the sections/pages. The
graphics will be sub-par.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>>Will people buy it? It sounds like it.
Personally, I have no need or desire for it, even if it were a 600MB
collection of files. I'm not the target audience though.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>My point is this: Somebody who already has a complete
copy also has access to a high-quality, hopper-fed scanner. When they
decide to scan it, they'll have the entire thing scanned into PDFs in less
than a week. The files then get uploaded to a for-pay file sharing site
and it's done. Bernard gets nothing out of it, and everybody who wants a
new copy gets one that will never degrade, never get torn or water damaged
(assuming proper backups). It will be an inferior product, but they at
least get the product.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>I'm not advocating for this to happen in any way (like I
said, I don't even want a copy). I'm just being as realistic about the
world as Bernard appears to be.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:57 AM Gordonjcp <<A
href="mailto:gordonjcp@gjcp.net" target=_blank>gordonjcp@gjcp.net</A>>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>On Thu, Nov 05, 2020 at 03:32:30AM +0000, Bernard Arthur
Hutchins, Jr wrote:<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>> Gordonjcp said:<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>> <BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>> "There are literally people right here saying, "Say we
can go ahead with this and we will do it". Right here."<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>> <BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>> I must have missed the part where you explain who (NOT
ME!!!) and how a team of 100 is managed. Herding Cats! Back in
2017 I couldn’t get even one person here to proof read a 2-page scan as a
test.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>>> <BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>Why would you need as many as 100 people?<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>> Proposed group efforts have a warm-and-fuzzy “Kumbaya”
aura to them. In general, it is folks standing around waiting for Mr.
Somebody Should and for a cue to take a bow.<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>> <BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>You've heard of this "Linux" thing, right?<BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>>> Old saying on farms: “A boy can do a man’s work, two
boys working together will do half a man’s job, and three boys working
together aren’t worth a damn.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>>Okay, so what do you actually want?<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>>Are you happy enough with the status quo where people sell on
the only existing copies of Electronotes?<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>>Do you want more people to read it? Do you want it gone
forever? What exactly are you shooting for here?<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>>Given that it seems to be one of the most jealously hoarded
collections of documentation going, and I've never even seen what's in it, why
would I bother to fork out hard cash for a tatty old second- or third- or
fourth-hand copy?<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>>Seriously, do you want help or not?<BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>>-- <BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>>Gordonjcp<BR></DIV>
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