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I agree with the first part, figure out a complete buy-out price, do
a gofundme if needed, then just donate Electronotes to AES, TapeOp,
Waveform, whoever, I don't care. I would donate just to end this
madness and I have no interest in the product, my brain is full.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/5/2020 10:15 AM, Mark G via
Synth-diy wrote:<br>
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<div> <font size="2">Maybe we just figure out a way through
gofundme or something similar to raise enough money so that
Bernie gets an immediate influx of cash plus enough
additional to pay someone else to do all the work so that he
can continue to sell copies. That way they stay available,
Bernie makes some money, he controls all the sales and
process, he retains the rights to do whatever he wants to in
the future, someone else does the work. If it doesn't work
out at least people got a chance to purchase a copy again
for a period, and Bernie gets a chunk of upfront money. Plus
hopefully it generates additional interest in Electronotes
so that there is a reasonable sales stream for a period
generating more money for Bernie. <br>
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From: BrightBoy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jdec@mindspring.com"><jdec@mindspring.com></a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a><br>
Sent: Thu, Nov 5, 2020 12:02 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I should clarify that AES membership is around
$200/year with the PRINTED JOURNAL option.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">It's cheaper if you are happy with PDF copies
of the journal.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Jeff<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>From: BrightBoy <<a
ymailto="mailto:jdec@mindspring.com"
href="mailto:jdec@mindspring.com" moz-do-not-send="true">jdec@mindspring.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Sent: Nov 5, 2020 11:54 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>To: SDIY <<a
ymailto="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org"
href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>I just had another idea in chatting with
another SDIY member on FB.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Perhaps Bernie should donate the entire EN
collection to the Audio Engineering Society (AES)<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>I can't imagine them turning that away and
would want to see it archived.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>If you want access, you become an AES
member (about $200/year)<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Clearly they know how to scan and archive
stuff as all their journals and<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>conference proceedings are available for
download.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>All AES members have free access to their
entire library.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>And it furthers the organization.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>A nice living legacy.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Jeff<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>From: "Chromatest J. Pantsmaker" <br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Sent: Nov 5, 2020 11:36 AM<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>To: Gordonjcp <br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Cc: SDIY <br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>I hate to say it, but when Bernard passes,
somebody is going to make digital copies and start selling
them. They're going to be low-quality, even if they're
high-quality scans. A scanned-to-PDF document is never as
nice as a designed-for-PDF document. Without somebody like
Bernard being emotionally involved enough to be doing the
QC, the product isn't going to be very good. It likely
won't be searchable, maybe there's a TOC, but it won't link
to the sections/pages. The graphics will be sub-par.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Will people buy it? It sounds like it.
Personally, I have no need or desire for it, even if it were
a 600MB collection of files. I'm not the target audience
though.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>My point is this: Somebody who already has
a complete copy also has access to a high-quality,
hopper-fed scanner. When they decide to scan it, they'll
have the entire thing scanned into PDFs in less than a
week. The files then get uploaded to a for-pay file sharing
site and it's done. Bernard gets nothing out of it, and
everybody who wants a new copy gets one that will never
degrade, never get torn or water damaged (assuming proper
backups). It will be an inferior product, but they at least
get the product.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>I'm not advocating for this to happen in
any way (like I said, I don't even want a copy). I'm just
being as realistic about the world as Bernard appears to be.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:57 AM Gordonjcp
<<a ymailto="mailto:gordonjcp@gjcp.net"
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<div dir="ltr">>On Thu, Nov 05, 2020 at 03:32:30AM +0000,
Bernard Arthur Hutchins, Jr wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> Gordonjcp said:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> "There are literally people right here
saying, "Say we can go ahead with this and we will do it".
Right here."<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> I must have missed the part where you
explain who (NOT ME!!!) and how a team of 100 is managed.
Herding Cats! Back in 2017 I couldn’t get even one person
here to proof read a 2-page scan as a test.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Why would you need as many as 100 people?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> Proposed group efforts have a
warm-and-fuzzy “Kumbaya” aura to them. In general, it is
folks standing around waiting for Mr. Somebody Should and
for a cue to take a bow.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>You've heard of this "Linux" thing, right?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>> Old saying on farms: “A boy can do a
man’s work, two boys working together will do half a man’s
job, and three boys working together aren’t worth a damn.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Okay, so what do you actually want?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Are you happy enough with the status quo
where people sell on the only existing copies of
Electronotes?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Do you want more people to read it? Do you
want it gone forever? What exactly are you shooting for
here?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Given that it seems to be one of the most
jealously hoarded collections of documentation going, and
I've never even seen what's in it, why would I bother to
fork out hard cash for a tatty old second- or third- or
fourth-hand copy?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">>Seriously, do you want help or not?<br>
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