<div dir="ltr">In the man's own words:<div><br></div><div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><i>Let me make the following offer to any responsible person: <font color="#0000ff">I will enter into a contract with you, and offer you the exclusive rights to produce and sell CD's containing the available Electronotes materials. You can sell as many as you want at whatever price you want. I will provide you with a full set of copies for your originals.</font><br>You will agree to the following: <font color="#0000ff">You will pay me $X on the signing of the contact and $X on the anniversary of the signing for a minimum of five years</font>. You agree that I can continue to sell paper copies, and that Electronotes and I hold all copyrights. You agree that all your advertising and promotion will make it clear that with regard to the CD's, the customer is dealing exclusively with you, not with Electronotes, and Electronotes has no obligation to them. In short, for a yearly fee, you get the "lucrative" CD business! You cover your expenses (scanning, CD production, postage, bad checks, etc.) and make your yearly license payment to me, and you keep all the rest as profit (or perhaps you are doing this for free - it's up to you).<br>So - - - What is X? Clearly, <font color="#0000ff">to me X is the amount of profit I would expect to loose for not making a paper sale.</font> Fair enough? I have a reasonable way of estimating this. <font color="#0000ff">For you, X is an amount you expect to be able to pay me and still have a successful business.</font> This is a matter of estimating your sales, your expenses, and setting your prices. I do not have much of an idea about this - hopefully you do. Do you suppose that X should be zero? Well, keep in mind that I do not watch TV, but I presume there are still people on late at night telling you you can make a fortune with no money invested. If you believe them, go with them - please not with me. (For example, I have to pay up front for the paper copies which sit on my shelves.) X is your "at risk" investment, your incentive, which will also assure that you will take measures to prevent pirating of the CD, because you still have to pay me for five years even if something goes wrong. It is just a matter of trusting the ciber world.<br></i><br></blockquote>Given the circumstances, I believe this amount should be <font color="#0000ff">zero dollars.</font><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 7:45 PM BrightBoy <<a href="mailto:jdec@mindspring.com">jdec@mindspring.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div>Everyone has a price.</div><div><br></div><div>What would it take to buy the whole operation and Bernie relinquishes the burden around his neck for good?</div><div><br></div><div><div>I fear he will probably die without leaving a legacy behind that will continue for generations to come.<br></div><br><div>Jeff<br></div></div><br><blockquote style="padding-left:5px;margin-left:0px;border-left:2px solid rgb(0,0,255);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message-----
<br>From: David G Dixon <u></u>
<br>Sent: Nov 4, 2020 7:41 PM
<br>To: "'Bernard Arthur Hutchins, Jr'" <u></u>, <a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a>
<br>Subject: Re: [sdiy] Marketplace Question
<br><br>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0000ff">At the risk of some serious opprobrium, I'm just going to go
ahead and address the 800-pound gorilla in the room:</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0000ff"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0000ff">If no one has ever made any money from Electronotes, and
(evidently) no one ever will, and the owner is unwilling to sell fresh
copies, then why is it all protected and kept secret like the script of
next year's blockbuster movie? Why not just put it all in the public
domain and allow (or, indeed, encourage) anyone with a copy to scan it
to PDF and put it all on the damned internet already?</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0000ff"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0000ff">Bernie doesn't want to part with it, but he doesn't want to
sell it, but he doesn't want to give it away, and he certainly doesn't want
anyone who hasn't paid for it to ever see it. He might as well
just throw it all on a bonfire and be done with it. I know that I,
for one, am pretty tired of hearing about what an enormous burden it all
is.</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0000ff"></font></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0000ff"></font></span> </div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Synth-diy
[mailto:<a href="mailto:synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bernard Arthur
Hutchins, Jr<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 04, 2020 2:56 PM<br><b>To:</b>
<a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [sdiy] Marketplace
Question<br></font><br></div>
<div></div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,236,179);color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,236,179);color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><span style="padding:3px;line-height:1.6;background-color:rgb(255,236,179);font-style:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px;font-weight:normal">[<strong>CAUTION:</strong>
Non-UBC Email]</span></span></span>
<div style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:10pt">
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">Don
wrote: On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Bernard Arthur Hutchins, Jr <<a href="http://synth-diy.org/mailman/listinfo/synth-diy" target="_blank"><span style="color:maroon">bah13 at cornell.edu</span></a>>
wrote:<u></u> <u></u></span></b></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">><i>
<u></u> <u></u></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">><i>
READ - then comment -PLEASE.<span>
</span>Reading comprehension PLEASE. <u></u> <u></u></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">><i>
<u></u> <u></u></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">><i>
I was ONLY interested to see if the Marketplace allowed people whom I might (as
a courtesy) direct there to connect a willing buyer to a set of USED
Electronotes (Ben says OK), not to reopen an uninformed, assuming, impractical,
largely debunked discussion of how to supposedy provide new copies etc. ( I
regret not letting the sleeping dog alone. )<span> </span>No suggestions please, unless you have
ACTUALLY READ ALL the links and understood them (and, I suppose – have money to
invest). <u></u> <u></u></i></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">Bernie’s
comments in{ }<u></u> <u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">Bernie,
<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">I
*have* read and understood all that.<span>
</span>And I agree that republishing 6500 pages of complex technical material is
a gargantuan task that nobody in their right mind would want to attempt.
<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">But
that's not what I suggested.<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">Again...
I am proposing to recruit an editorial team (from here or Muff Wiggler) and
publish a regular-sized book of selected Electronotes articles on a particular
topic,<b>{Who (specifically)recruits the team? Who pays them? <span> </span>Volunters! (Don’t be silly.) Who pays the
printer?}</b> do it up nice, and see how the book does in the market.<span> </span>If successful, turn another topic into
the next book.<span>
</span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">The
important part is that you, Bernie, would not be doing the work, other than
advise and approval.<span> </span><b>{Sorry –
not available.}</b><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">I
know *exactly* how to do publication-quality plots and schematics.<span> </span>It's not difficult.<span> </span>And we could put together a set of tools
to assist in much of the work.<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">---<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">Second
proposal:<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">Would
you, Bernie, consider allowing others to republish Electronotes material on
their own <b>{the offer has been out for 20 years}</b>, in the form described
above, with a percentage of the revenue going to you?
<b>{Upfront?}</b><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">---<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">My
overall point is that this stuff is culturally, technically, and historically
important, the modular synthesizer renaissance has created a demand, there are
very few books out on this topic, the current state of EN distribution is mostly
inaccessible <b>{Not true IF people look for USED copies -<span> </span>try this first}</b>, and there's money
to be made <b>{NOT in 40 years so far!}</b>.<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">---<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">And
one more...<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">What
if there was a publishing company that specialized in upscale books on
electronic music?<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><span> </span>-- Don<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">--<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">Donald
Tillman, Palo Alto, California<u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><a href="http://www.till.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color:maroon">http://www.till.com</span></a><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:black;font-size:10pt">{THANKS
DON – Bernie}<u></u> <u></u></span></b></p>
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