<div dir="ltr">It feels like to me that the point of the "pushback" is to not clog this list with a lot of noise (extra messages) from people just selling / trading stuff. At some point, the list would suffer and people would just stop reading / responding to it. I am new here (referred by the great Emilie Gillet a few months ago). I have nothing to do with the building of the community or the list and I would never want to intrude on any "unspoken rules". I appreciate having a slower paced method of asking questions and getting real answers from people that know so much more than I do. I remember someone mentioning an archive website recently. Is there a place with posted rules / guidelines? If not, maybe there could be a monthly reminder email that gets sent out to just restate the ground rules.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 7:45 PM ColinMuirDorward <<a href="mailto:colindorward@gmail.com">colindorward@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I see your point, GB, but the self-improvement argument feels a little shallow. <br></div><div>I believe SDIY is a community, and trading could be a nice way to strengthen community bonds.</div><div>But I don't mind a separate list!<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 2:37 PM MTG <<a href="mailto:grant@musictechnologiesgroup.com" target="_blank">grant@musictechnologiesgroup.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">As far as I can see, this list is about self-improvement, one way or <br>
another. The trading thing adds nothing to that (at least on the mailing <br>
list aspect). I agree that Muffs, or Electro-Music or even Gearslutz <br>
would be better.<br>
<br>
GB<br>
<br>
<br>
On 10/28/2020 2:07 PM, ColinMuirDorward wrote:<br>
> +1 for a separate <a href="mailto:trading@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">trading@synth-diy.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:trading@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">trading@synth-diy.org</a>> <br>
> list.<br>
> <br>
> I think the question is if there is a critical mass to sustain it. It <br>
> seems a little premature to know. Could we let it live here for a <br>
> moment, and see where it goes?<br>
> <br>
> It's also possible to try again at muffs. I posted there once before, <br>
> and people reacted negatively to the idea. I feel like the attitude was <br>
> more like, "why trade when I can sell it for a buck". Well...fair <br>
> enough! Again, if people start chiming in with interest in a new list, I <br>
> think it would be a nice parallel to the conversations here.<br>
> <br>
> -1 for marketplace@synth-diy<br>
> IMHO the inability to make financial gains directly via the SDIY <br>
> community benefits the quality of its conversations.<br>
> <br>
> Just my 2cents.<br>
> <br>
> Colin<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 1:50 PM Ben Stuyts <<a href="mailto:ben@stuyts.nl" target="_blank">ben@stuyts.nl</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ben@stuyts.nl" target="_blank">ben@stuyts.nl</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hello,<br>
> <br>
> I let this discussion go for a while to see what kind of ideas would<br>
> come out of it. I like the idea of trading modules, but this list is<br>
> not the correct place for it. As others have stated, it might be<br>
> better to take this to AH or Muff’s. I would not object to a message<br>
> with a link to interesting diy-modules for trade over there (for now).<br>
> <br>
> Or, if there is enough interest, I can start another list here<br>
> (trading@ or perhaps more general: marketplace@synth-diy,org).<br>
> Members would have to subscribe separately to that list, of course.<br>
> Let me know what you think.<br>
> <br>
> And for the record, the sporadic messages here for tempco’s fill a<br>
> very specific niche for hard to get parts. That service is very<br>
> useful to the list members. All correspondence following that is<br>
> strictly off-list. Trading modules on the other hand would generate<br>
> lots of to-and-fro messages here. It would lower the signal to noise<br>
> ratio considerably.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Ben (moderator)<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> On 28 Oct 2020, at 21:20, Phillip Gallo <<a href="mailto:philgallo@gmail.com" target="_blank">philgallo@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:philgallo@gmail.com" target="_blank">philgallo@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Well things change i guess.<br>
>> The list had a norm, maybe a gentlemen's agreement which i believe<br>
>> was the result of exposure to the horrid exchanges and capricious<br>
>> moderation that too often occurred on the Analog Heaven (not<br>
>> Analog Haven) List.<br>
>> It set the standard for how the SDIY list was not going to be.<br>
>><br>
>> The folks on this list seem generally considerate and the degree<br>
>> of information exchanged is still a benchmark for how folks can<br>
>> interchange ideas and efforts.<br>
>> Once the trading starts what are the chances it won't overtake the<br>
>> list. Hard to know. A companion sub-list for trading would<br>
>> probably be a better idea from my POV.<br>
>><br>
>> regards,<br>
>> p<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 1:04 PM ColinMuirDorward<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:colindorward@gmail.com" target="_blank">colindorward@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:colindorward@gmail.com" target="_blank">colindorward@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Just to be clear, Ian, you are only speaking about sales,<br>
>> correct? I assume there is no opposition to trades.<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 12:01 PM Quincas Moreira<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:quincas@gmail.com" target="_blank">quincas@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:quincas@gmail.com" target="_blank">quincas@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I didn't know that Ian, sorry. Just out of curiosity, why<br>
>> is selling discouraged? I've seen posts for Tempcos<br>
>> before, and the AH list has for sale posts regularly...<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 12:48 PM Ian Fritz<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:ijfritz@comcast.net" target="_blank">ijfritz@comcast.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ijfritz@comcast.net" target="_blank">ijfritz@comcast.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Absolutely not! It's always been a rule here to forbid<br>
>> comnmercial<br>
>> traffic. Let's keep it that way. There's a good<br>
>> subforum at Muff's for<br>
>> buy/sell/trade.<br>
>><br>
>> Ian<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 10/28/2020 11:58 AM, Quincas Moreira wrote:<br>
>> > Hey all, great initiative! I would include sales<br>
>> too, as well as trades,<br>
>> > in case somebody wants something and has nothing to<br>
>> give in return.<br>
>> > I have quite a few modules available myself, as not<br>
>> everything I build<br>
>> > for my channel I actually end up using. I'll make a<br>
>> list and photos<br>
>> > soon. Yeah, photos everyone! An abstract description<br>
>> is good but seeing<br>
>> > the thing is helpful as well.<br>
>> > Cheers!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 7:25 AM Jacob Watters<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:jacobwatters@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacobwatters@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jacobwatters@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacobwatters@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:jacobwatters@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacobwatters@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jacobwatters@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacobwatters@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > This is a great idea. I have a bunch of<br>
>> prototypes of a filter at<br>
>> > various stages. They all have minor little<br>
>> issues that will be<br>
>> > worked out in the final version, but they work<br>
>> well despite the<br>
>> > issues. For example, I made up ten versions of<br>
>> the filter with two<br>
>> > different types of resonance that can be<br>
>> switched with a toggle (one<br>
>> > has clipping diodes and some other stuff in the<br>
>> feedback path that<br>
>> > changes the characteristics of the resonance).<br>
>> The range is off on<br>
>> > the one type of resonance (self oscillates at 9<br>
>> o'clock). It works<br>
>> > perfectly fine with the one resonance type, and<br>
>> the other works too,<br>
>> > but the range on the pot is limited.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I don't know what I will do with all of these. I<br>
>> will keep at least<br>
>> > one, but that is 9 others that will just sit on<br>
>> a shelf. I can't<br>
>> > really sell them when they don't work the way I<br>
>> intended.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I would be open to trading for other people's<br>
>> DIY extras or buggy<br>
>> > prototypes.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Please send a direct message if you are<br>
>> interested. I am also in Canada.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > *Jacob Watters*<br>
>> > JacobWatters.com <<a href="http://JacobWatters.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://JacobWatters.com</a>><br>
>> <<a href="http://jacobwatters.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://jacobwatters.com/</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 12:36 AM ColinMuirDorward<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:colindorward@gmail.com" target="_blank">colindorward@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:colindorward@gmail.com" target="_blank">colindorward@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:colindorward@gmail.com" target="_blank">colindorward@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:colindorward@gmail.com" target="_blank">colindorward@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Does anybody want to trade eurorack or other<br>
>> self-built stuff?<br>
>> > I'm not worried about dollar value, it just<br>
>> seems crazy to not<br>
>> > trade these things since it's only 20%<br>
>> harder to build 2x as<br>
>> > many modules.<br>
>> > I'm open to ideas, offers, or explanations<br>
>> as to why this is a<br>
>> > bad idea!<br>
>> > I'm in Canada, but IMO, shipping worldwide<br>
>> isn't out of the<br>
>> > question.<br>
>> > Cheers,<br>
>> > Colin<br>
>> ><br>
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