<div dir="ltr">Another use case which I think better illustrates the routing challenges....<div><br></div><div>A 560R 4 resistor network (8 pins) used in the stability networks of all four units in a 2164. Having them be in the same package forces all the routing to go to one side or end of the chip, instead of being able to lay out two individual resistor/capacitor combinations on one side, and the other two on the other side. This would be true for the SMD package as well though the reduced footprint would make it perhaps easier to route around.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 12:10 AM Pete Hartman <<a href="mailto:pete.hartman@gmail.com" target="_blank">pete.hartman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I haven't done an exhaustive search, but a randomly selected 4 resistor, not bussed network, by bourns, is about 2x the size of an 0805 resistor. Yikes :-D. I was thinking "hand soldering" here, so ... We'll see.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:38 PM Pete Hartman <<a href="mailto:pete.hartman@gmail.com" target="_blank">pete.hartman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">#1: ignorance that such a thing even existed, I will go look at that more seriously, thank you.<br><br>#2: the main layout issue is not simply the overall size of the networks (they're .1" spacing, so a given resistor doesn't take an awful lot more space than an 0805 resistor) but the forced linear arrangement, and the occasional "extra" resistor that gets used somewhere nearby, but not necessarily easily routable nearby. Individual resistors could be placed more conveniently to their actual use -- the example of a summer, perhaps not so much, but there are others in this design that aren't quite so localized.<div><br></div><div>I don't know if matching is the reason or not, but Eric's comment about affordable .5% resistors etc is a further argument that matching in particular shouldn't be a criterion of concern.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!<br><br>Pete</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:17 PM Brian Willoughby <<a href="mailto:brianw@audiobanshee.com" target="_blank">brianw@audiobanshee.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Why not use SMD networks?<br>
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… in digital designs without any issues. Granted, these have a common pin, but if you check the manufacturer (CTS) data sheets and product family you'll see every variation of parallel and network configuration available. I've only used them for digital because my analog circuit layout never seemed to facilitate a network. I'm sure that an SMD network will work just as well as discrete SMD resistors in an analog circuit.<br>
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Sounds like you're considering mixing the original through-hole resistor networks with modern SMD, and I wouldn't bother with that. Just use SMD resistor networks.<br>
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p.s. Some digital designers don't like the resistor networks because they find them harder to lay out. I did not have that problem. I believe it's the folks who actually like using 0102 SMD that find the networks "too big" - but I have only used 0102 in one design and was told to never do that again for the sake of sanity (at least during prototype stages).<br>
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On Aug 29, 2020, at 8:32 PM, Pete Hartman <<a href="mailto:pete.hartman@gmail.com" target="_blank">pete.hartman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I'm working on laying out a classic through hole module design with SMD parts. The original uses a fair number of resistor networks, most of them just parallel resistors, not common bus versions. The resistor networks are, well... huge by comparison.<br>
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> Unfortunately the original designer isn't around for me to ask for input.<br>
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> My *impression* based on how the networks are being used (often times for things like input resistors and a feedback resistor in a summing op amp config, just as one example) is that part of their purpose was to get parts that were well matched. But that's not anything but a gut feeling.<br>
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> So I'm looking for seasoned opinions about whether there is any important reason to keep resistor networks, when I can sub in 1% SMD parts that will take up less space and be more flexible for placement. Are the networks either 1) better matched even than 1% parts, or 2) have some other characteristic which I'm not thinking of that might be important?<br>
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