<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Neil,</div><div>Does increasing that 750R to ground make the resonance louder?</div><div>I've been after something similar, but came up with the idea to simply use a non-resonant 4pole lowpass in parallel with a resonant bandpass (outputs summed). On the frontpanel, the user sees three controls: Frequency (which controls both VCFs), Resonance (which is actually an attenuator at the output of the bandpass), and then a "Q-width" control (which is actually the BPF resonance). It seemed promising on the breadboard, but maybe once I get it in the rack I'll find out why others don't seem to be doing this.<br></div><div>Colin<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 1:14 AM Neil Harper <<a href="mailto:metadata@gmx.com" target="_blank">metadata@gmx.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">hey everyone,<br>
<br>
I've breadboarded a few of the vcf's in the 2164 datasheet, trying to<br>
find the sound that I like the best. It's been fun, learning a lot.. I<br>
like the sound of 4-pole filters, but find the resonance to sound very<br>
nasal/robotic on the implementations that i built... where the resonance<br>
is taken from the output of the 4th pole and fed back in.<br>
<br>
my latest breadboard is "Figure 33: Resonant 24db per Octave 4-Pole<br>
Low-Pass Filter with 2nd Order Bandpass Resonance" from SSI's AN701<br>
document ( <a href="http://www.soundsemiconductor.com/downloads/AN701.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.soundsemiconductor.com/downloads/AN701.pdf</a> )<br>
<br>
as I had hoped, the 2nd order bandpass resonance source sounds exactly<br>
like what I'm looking for. Unfortunately, the prominence and volume of<br>
the resonance subtle. with a 10Vpp square wave coming out, the resonant<br>
wave is 1.8Vpp just before self-resonance (I actually don't care about<br>
self-resonance.. not a big thing for me).<br>
<br>
I'm attempting to include a picture of the schematic I've built, it's<br>
modified from Figure 33, where I've added voltage-controlled resonance<br>
using an LM13700 (sort of bodged in from the Ripples schemo). it works,<br>
but you can see from the badly drawn scope "shots" that the resonant<br>
wave is pretty small.<br>
<br>
I noticed that if I change R1 (first input resistor to the filter) and<br>
make it larger, the outputted test square wave will get smaller but the<br>
resonant wave stays the same. As shown, if I increase R1 from 15k to 22k<br>
the square wave goes down to 7Vpp and the resonant wave riding on the<br>
square stays at 1.8Vpp.<br>
<br>
I can keep changing that R1 until the resonance sound is very prominent<br>
and to my taste in relation to the output, but then my filter is only<br>
outputting half the volume of what goes in. I'm OK with bumping that up<br>
with an extra op-amp stage afterwards, but wouldn't I just be increasing<br>
the noise floor as well? Is there another way to get the same effect and<br>
keep my filter at unity gain?<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
/// Neil Harper<br>
/// Every Wave is New Until it Breaks<br>
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