<div dir="ltr">This is possibly the dumbest garbage I've seen posted on here over ~15 years. It took 5 months to come up with a bunch of nonsensical attacks?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 6:38 PM KD KD <<a href="mailto:pic24hj@gmail.com">pic24hj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Missed your reply Paula , had no idea you wanted to bash and create drama!<br>
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>>In mass production?<br>
As in fooling a IT billionaire to pay up for the mass production of 002/008?<br>
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Nothing special about MI mass production, same commodity electronics<br>
as anything else from a manufacturing standpoint.<br>
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>>did you have all the routing options?<br>
Is standard Hz/V FM routing an option?<br>
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>>I'd be very interested, genuinely, to read the specs and hear it.<br>
You dont , just pretend as we shall see.<br>
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>>not if it's designed for manufacture from the get go.<br>
The industry calls it DFM , design for manufacture.<br>
Regarding that , you said on GS, quote;<br>
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-->Modal had rigid development and test process involving<br>
-->alpha and beta test prior to being passed to production and<br>
-->two cycles testing before passed public.<br>
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as answer to 008/002 owners problems like , Sub Osc bleed VCO phase<br>
locking , EG klick , mechanical quality issues , FX board issues ,<br>
50% PW bug, etc. (their words not mine).<br>
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So always hidden costs pre and post soft/hardware no exception.<br>
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I read some where when customers addressed hardware issues<br>
Modal dropped them from their product support mail list!! Ouch!<br>
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Modal etc are juridically responsible for whatever BS said<br>
in the context of trying to increase sales of a product:<br>
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>>so, you'd rather see trees on the side of synths?<br>
So you'd rather see cows on the side of synths?<br>
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>>In short, NOTHING, that is manufacturer is environmentally friendly,<br>
>>heck even using the power from my battery which has come from the<br>
>>powerstations to type this is bad for the environment.<br>
There you are , so why then argue cow leather is more environmental friendly.<br>
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>>I still believe in what I say.<br>
Yes "know it all's" usually do, as priests, used car salesmen etc.<br>
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>>ok, so, tell me, your polysynth that you designed, and built, did you market it?<br>
Why dont you explain 002/008 was deliberately built like a<br>
"tank to last" like Japanese synths was not designed to do?<br>
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Besides if i did you would only steal my glorious 4998 component poly.<br>
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>>I'm happy to listen to constructive criticism.<br>
That's boring, instead talk about the Californian gentlemans 008 that<br>
you managed to brick over internet from the UK while trying to fix it<br>
then dumped him so he had to turn to others at Modal.<br>
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>>from others who've done what I've done,<br>
Hallelujah! your hubris alive and well! So you talk only to those who<br>
put 12 obsolete Monowave like voice cards in a 4.5mm steel casket sided<br>
by flea infested cow leather while asking 5000 USD that needs software<br>
and hardware fix/upgrades immediately after release?<br>
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>>but I really have little time for people who claim to<br>
>>have "done everything" and have nothing to show for it.<br>
Naaah! No one are obliged to proof anything to someone who screwed up<br>
customer support , parts of the designs while labeling his old Modal customers<br>
and new DoveAudio customers misogynic idiotic arseholes!<br>
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Btw , Niel recently said quote: In my day job, 8k units would be a<br>
pre-production<br>
prototype run and in production somewhere in the region of 10k units per week.<br>
And in a former job, around 1million units a month. I have done similar not on<br>
weekly basis, every third month or so.<br>
<br>
Dixon mentioned he used 10k+ of 2164 , JH, Adamsan and many others<br>
built polys decades ago. What about all then boutique manufacturers?<br>
And dont forget thousands of hobbyists all over the place who do one<br>
shot runs! Yet you dismiss us all, nice.<br>
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>>but if you feel you can design something "properly" that gives<br>
>>10 octaves of stability with "zero drift" on 16 oscillators AND 8<br>
>>multimode VCFs.<br>
Aah! finally we'r getting somewhere! First you didnt design the 008<br>
it was a team effort and George Hearn did the voice card Modal<br>
support told us recently.<br>
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So, you claim to have solvedthe temperature drift problem people like<br>
Dave Smith, Moog, Buchla Tom Oberheim Doug Curtis even superhero<br>
heavy duty academic Ian Fritz known for doing the most stable VCO<br>
so far battled for decades?<br>
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Yet Modal/You had to implemented AUTOTUNE on a ZERO drift design! :-D<br>
Mind sharing 008 zero drift design you newer did , we could all learn from it?<br>
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>>There was a reason for the parts<br>
Odd to say from someone who done that, been there, knows it all ,<br>
got the T-shirt , built the house, flyed the plane, sailed the ship, etc.<br>
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>>just saying that that is what it took to get the synth we wanted.<br>
No you didnt but now you do. Really sure it could not have been<br>
made with4999 or 5001?<br>
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>> I could've easily built a Memorymoog clone or a JP8 clone, but<br>
>> that is NOT what we wanted to do, so we built what we love,<br>
Evidential you havent even glanced through the MM, JP8 designs<br>
so you have no idea what you talking about , yet if so easy why did<br>
008 take 5 years in the making? Your words not mine.<br>
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>>and they sold well.<br>
Sold? not anymore? was it in Niels millions per week? If lucky 002/008<br>
will get its deserved place at "AntiquesRoadshow". Great show btw!<br>
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>>Suggest you re-read. I never said it was a pain, just saying that that<br>
>> is what it took to get the synth we wanted.<br>
I suggest you re-read, you said it was "easily" to clone MM and JP8,<br>
perhaps you should read the schematics and open up a unit before<br>
blabber so much nonsense.<br>
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>>I've ZERO interest in recreating the past, ask anyone who knows me.<br>
So you expect people to know what you done while deliberately dont<br>
tell people when asked while pointing some some ghostly friends of<br>
yours whom nobody knows to be the source for your personal tastes?<br>
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>>it with the number of components you say that is hugely under 5000.<br>
More of your diverts , I didint say "hugely" you did and 5000. Why didnt<br>
you say 4999 or 5001?<br>
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>>As for the synths being overdesigned, well, that's your opinion.<br>
Re-read it said MM/JP8 in that context. Ofcourse my opinion, who else?<br>
Santa?<br>
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>>As a manufacturer you don't "over" design anything,<br>
Modal obviously did , lot's of others have done it as well, no mystery there.<br>
It s called learning , next time you do with less components if you "want"<br>
to learn "cost analysis" that is..<br>
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>>as it would add unnecessary cost..<br>
And it did, costs of 002/008 obviously comes from "somewhere".<br>
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>> you design what you believe in<br>
What priests do , proper EE designs to the formula of "good enough"<br>
least amount of components and PCB space and overall dev costs<br>
to reach a particular product specification for a particular market.<br>
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>>and yes there was features that we pulled from 002 and 008 because of cost.<br>
Why the diverge? Not anything to do with JP8. Features such as?<br>
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>>But again, please share your manufacturing and sales experience.<br>
Again, no need to proof anything to someone who already dismissed<br>
everything else not 002.<br>
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Instead lets talk about when you on GS tried redefine the term<br>
aliasing NCO etc as means to increase 002 sales something<br>
even made GFORCE old timer DSP dude Jon Hodgson call<br>
you a; "non-reliable-source-for-accurate-technical-terminology".<br>
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Ouch! Some superb sales techniques again there Paula!<br>
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>>again, you're welcome to your opinion, I don't agree with you.<br>
Again , you're welcome with your. JP8 is over designed as is MM.<br>
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>>I like the concept, and the fact that the front panel can be replaced to<br>
>>work with other synth techniques is a great idea (from a manufacturing<br>
>>stand point as you have one box, one PCB and only a panel that changes<br>
>>across multiple products).<br>
Again, i dont mind the design, even more interesting now when<br>
Waldorf is into it and likely use the plattform for other audio things.<br>
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Sorta entertaining when you go hellbent not understanding<br>
how and on which premises GZ/Muff operates on.<br>
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Bottom line is nobody questions what you done but for the<br>
BS you say, e.g as corporate representant, they surely do!<br>
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