<div dir="ltr">You can generate a HP4 from a LP4 and an allpass. You can also generate a HP4 from 5 taps of a 4 pole cascade, any form of cascade can be turned into any other response. You need input + feedback, and then the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th stage outputs. So you can make a bandpass core from HP1 -> HP1 -> LP1 -> LP1, and then turn that into LP4, HP4 etc. The theory around this is pretty simple, but I don't know exactly when it was first "discovered".<div><br></div><div>The Xpander compromised on some of the 4 pole modes because of the filter chip they used. The resonance gain and summing with the input happened inside the chip, so they had to use a cool trick to get that summed signal outside the chip. They shorted the first capacitor to ground, and switched the low pass of the first stage to a fixed gain (from memory!). So they were only left with a 3 pole filter, had to run the self oscillation calibration again since it needs more gain in 3 pole mode to self oscillate, so they could only generate a 3 pole high pass.</div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 17:52, mark verbos <<a href="mailto:markverbos@gmail.com">markverbos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hallo,<br>
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A while back there was talk about getting a hipass response using cancellation of a lopass filter. I was surprised to find out that you cannot simply cancel a 4 pole lopass to get a 4 pole hipass. In fact, I still can’t really understand why. But, I was reading Electronotes about something unrelated and I discovered an article about just this subject. <br>
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In Electronotes #85 there is a technique for getting a 4 pole hipass from a 4 pole lopass by mixing all 4 pole outputs. I still don’t really understand the math, but it is proven in this article. As far as I can see, the Oberheim Xpander filter doesn’t ever get a 4 pole hipass. So, this may be the only implementation of one using pole mixing. <br>
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Mark<br>
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