<div><div dir="auto">Sure, I think outsourcing fab (assembly as well as the actual PCB fab) for personal use is still DIY. I’ve considered doing it — likely for a basic utility module — partly because I haven’t tried it before and am curious about the process, and partly because I don’t have the patience for hand-soldering SMD passives</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The DIY part for me is the PCB layout/assembly. I’m fairly novice-grade at the actual design/electronics bits (though I’m making progress) but have successfully laid out PCBs for quite a few of my own modules, mostly CGS.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Originally I was doing my own layouts because I hate wiring even more than hand-soldering SMD passives... but I discovered along the way that I quite enjoy the layout thing</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Am I a DIYer if...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">* I don’t fully understand a circuit that I’ve successfully turned into a Euro module ?</div><div dir="auto">* I don’t etch+drill my own PCBs?</div><div dir="auto">* I do understand the circuit, modify it to suit my wants, but then outsource the PCB fab + assembly?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I agree with the poster who hinted that maybe we shouldn’t try so hard to define things.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, 30 May 2018 at 06:10, <<a href="mailto:paula@synth.net">paula@synth.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
> DIY is when you're not paying someone else to do all the work.<br>
<br>
To what level? You're not designing your own opamps and transistors, <br>
you're paying for those<br>
<br>
> Obviously paying for some parts of the work is justifiable, e.g. DIY <br>
> PCB layout, professional fabrication and DIY soldering or building from <br>
> (PCB, component and front panel) kits.<br>
> <br>
<br>
wait, what?<br>
so professional fabrication counts as DIY?<br>
<br>
Remind me how that excludes someone who's starting their own business on <br>
here?<br>
<br>
Paula<br>
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