<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div>There is an overlap between software and hardware DIY, but it's a personal preference whether you prefer soldering, coding or a bit of both. If it's DSP or firmware it's more a hardware style SDIY than if it's a VST. Coding a VST I'd see as application programming rather than SDIY.
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 9:25 PM<br/>
<b>From:</b> paula@synth.net<br/>
<b>To:</b> "Quincas Moreira" <quincas@gmail.com><br/>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sdiy] History of SDIY?</div>
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<p>Again, I'm sorry I disagree, see my other post.</p>
<p>By such self imposed limitations you're limiting what could be achieved.<br/>
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Language IS there to communicate, I agree, but why create an alternative meaning for "Synth Do It Yourself" that becomes "Synth Do It For Yourself as long as it's not going to go in a commercial product or be software". <br/>
By doing that you've take a simple and wonderfully open thing and changed it's meaning.</p>
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<p>On 2018-05-29 21:20, Quincas Moreira wrote:</p>
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<div>Paula, it's not elitism because I'm not saying software is any worse or less valuable than hardware. My intention is just to be realistic as to what people think about when they hear the term SDIY. You are the first person I ever heard say a home made VST is SDIY. I understand your argument, but I'm a practical person, and I think language is meant to communicate, not confuse. If we make a definition that's too broad it loses all purpose, IMO. But sure, we can agree to disagree. I have sounds to make now with my SDIY machines :)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:13 PM, <span><<a href="mailto:paula@synth.net" onclick="parent.window.location.href='paula@synth.net'; return false;" target="_blank">paula@synth.net</a>></span> wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;">well, I think that's somewhat discriminatory against a lot of people doing a lot of cool stuff with software. consider the mutable instruments stuff, it sounds amazing, it's software in a box.. to say "it's only SDIY when it's hardware" is, I believe fundamentally wrong and bad for the community as it smells of elitism.<br/>
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On 2018-05-29 21:05, Quincas Moreira wrote:<br/>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;">Paula, if you water down the definition too much it becomes meaningless. 99% of people I know, when they think SDIY they think of hardware synths and modules, whether they are analog or digital. To me at least it makes sense to keep ITB and dedicated hardware somewhat separate. Call it Soft Synth DIY if you will :)<br/>
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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM, <<a href="mailto:paula@synth.net" onclick="parent.window.location.href='paula@synth.net'; return false;" target="_blank">paula@synth.net</a>> wrote:<br/>
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why?<br/>
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if I write a softsynth, and put it in a VST that's not synth DIY? But if I write a softsynth and put it in a chip in a box that is synth DIY?<br/>
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Paula<br/>
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On 2018-05-29 16:11, Quincas Moreira wrote:<br/>
Oh, I would leave soft synths out of it for clarity's sake...<br/>
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Software running in a dedicated module or hardware synth, sure :)<br/>
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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:05 AM, <<a href="mailto:paula@synth.net" onclick="parent.window.location.href='paula@synth.net'; return false;" target="_blank">paula@synth.net</a>> wrote:<br/>
Fair points Tom.<br/>
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Though I'd disagree with the electronotes comment, it only covers analogue synthesis techniques.<br/>
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for me SDIY encompasses analogue, digital, hybrid and soft synths, as long as you made it yourself :)<br/>
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Paula<br/>
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On 2018-05-29 15:43, Tom Wiltshire wrote:<br/>
No need to pigeon hole, but if you were (say) writing a book on the<br/>
topic, you'd have to decide what you put in and what you leave out.<br/>
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I think the magazines and books give a pretty good idea of what was<br/>
going on through the decades. The Brabani books and R.A. Penfold and<br/>
R.M.Marston have quite a lot to answer for in my case.<br/>
In many ways, Bernie's Electronotes *is* the history of Synth-DIY<br/>
already! Ok, it's only a single source and a single editor, but it<br/>
follows the progress of the field over a long period of time and<br/>
covers pretty much everything sooner or later. I doubt there's a more<br/>
comprehensive overview.<br/>
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Tom<br/>
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On 29 May 2018, at 13:18, <a href="mailto:paula@synth.net" onclick="parent.window.location.href='paula@synth.net'; return false;" target="_blank">paula@synth.net</a> wrote:<br/>
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Why classify/pigeon hole "what" SDIY is?<br/>
The world seems obsessed with putting things in boxes, let's not do the same here please<br/>
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On 2018-05-29 12:36, Rob Kam wrote:<br/>
Unlike for the history of electronic music <a href="http://120years.net/" target="_blank">http://120years.net/</a>, apparently<br/>
there's not much documentation specifically for the history of DIY<br/>
electronic music equipment. I have some questions, if I may.<br/>
How to define SDIY - it's not just exclusively synths, amateurs making<br/>
electronic music circuits as opposed to plugging together ready-made parts?<br/>
When did SDIY begin and how has it developed over the years? Especially<br/>
since the invention of semiconductors but before then should also be<br/>
included. What were the significant moments and who were the pioneers along<br/>
the way?<br/>
Bob Moog sold Theremin kits in the 1950s. Guitar pedals began development in<br/>
the 1960s. Before this there were guitar amplifiers with effects built in,<br/>
and earlier still people used magnetic tape. The PAiA FAQ states that the<br/>
1970s were busy, the 1980s were quieter, (with the hobbyists being<br/>
distracted by PCs) and that interest picked up again in the 1990s. PAiA has<br/>
been producing synthesizer kits since 1972. Electronotes started in 1972.<br/>
Various magazine articles by authors such as Tim Orr, John Simonton, Don<br/>
Lancaster, Craig Anderton, etc. give some sort of indication. The earliest<br/>
DIY electronic music instrument books seem to be from the early to<br/>
mid-1970s.<br/>
How to distinguish what's SDIY from R&D? Obviously the pioneers and<br/>
inventors like Harald Bode and Kraftwerk had to DIY; does this get ignored?<br/>
Does it begin with the electro-magnetic Helmholtz resonator?<br/>
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