<div dir="ltr">Well, I apologize if my musings have offended or excluded anyone. I'm mostly airing thoughts to see how they fare, in the interest of collectively arriving at a definition that would be useful for the OP, to narrow his focus making the project less overwhelming.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Scott Gravenhorst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:music.maker@gte.net" target="_blank">music.maker@gte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Quincas Moreira <<a href="mailto:quincas@gmail.com">quincas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>Paula, it's not elitism because I'm not saying software is any worse or<br>
>less valuable than hardware. My intention is just to be realistic as to<br>
>what people think about when they hear the term SDIY. <br>
>You are the first<br>
>person I ever heard say a home made VST is SDIY.<br>
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</span>If it needs another voice, I'll say it too. Code written to make a synth, regardless of<br>
what runs it, is no less SDIY than someone's soldered module from downloaded schematics.<br>
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>I understand your<br>
>argument, but I'm a practical person, and I think language is meant to<br>
>communicate, not confuse. If we make a definition that's too broad it loses<br>
>all purpose, IMO. But sure, we can agree to disagree. I have sounds to make<br>
>now with my SDIY machines :)<br>
<br>
</span>I think that an all encompassing definition is not "too broad" for a topic as broad as<br>
SDIY. Many terms are of this nature - politics for example. I'm an old timer and I've<br>
seen some amazing things. I've a friend who made a MIDI controlled bagpipe. SDIY? - you<br>
bet. I've written synth code which contains very few if any "traditional parts such as<br>
ADSR" and yet, it makes music, it is a synthesizer and I did it myself - again SDIY. And<br>
I think as we move into the future, we'll see more and more unusual new ideas that make<br>
music by people who do it themselves.<br>
<br>
I also think this discussion is veering into territory that the OP might not have intended<br>
- discussing the definition of SDIY? He was asking about the history of it, but maybe<br>
more clarification from the OP can help pull it into more of an answer to his own question.<br>
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>On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 3:13 PM, <<a href="mailto:paula@synth.net">paula@synth.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> well, I think that's somewhat discriminatory against a lot of people doing<br>
>> a lot of cool stuff with software. consider the mutable instruments stuff,<br>
>> it sounds amazing, it's software in a box.. to say "it's only SDIY when<br>
>> it's hardware" is, I believe fundamentally wrong and bad for the community<br>
>> as it smells of elitism.<br>
>><br>
>> S we'll have to disagree.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 2018-05-29 21:05, Quincas Moreira wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Paula, if you water down the definition too much it becomes meaningless.<br>
>>> 99% of people I know, when they think SDIY they think of hardware synths<br>
>>> and modules, whether they are analog or digital. To me at least it makes<br>
>>> sense to keep ITB and dedicated hardware somewhat separate. Call it Soft<br>
>>> Synth DIY if you will :)<br>
>>> Just my 2 c<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 2:57 PM, <<a href="mailto:paula@synth.net">paula@synth.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> why?<br>
>>><br>
>>> if I write a softsynth, and put it in a VST that's not synth DIY? But if<br>
>>> I write a softsynth and put it in a chip in a box that is synth DIY?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Paula<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 2018-05-29 16:11, Quincas Moreira wrote:<br>
>>> Oh, I would leave soft synths out of it for clarity's sake...<br>
>>><br>
>>> Software running in a dedicated module or hardware synth, sure :)<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:05 AM, <<a href="mailto:paula@synth.net">paula@synth.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Fair points Tom.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Though I'd disagree with the electronotes comment, it only covers<br>
>>> analogue synthesis techniques.<br>
>>><br>
>>> for me SDIY encompasses analogue, digital, hybrid and soft synths, as<br>
>>> long as you made it yourself :)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Paula<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 2018-05-29 15:43, Tom Wiltshire wrote:<br>
>>> No need to pigeon hole, but if you were (say) writing a book on the<br>
>>> topic, you'd have to decide what you put in and what you leave out.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I think the magazines and books give a pretty good idea of what was<br>
>>> going on through the decades. The Brabani books and R.A. Penfold and<br>
>>> R.M.Marston have quite a lot to answer for in my case.<br>
>>> In many ways, Bernie's Electronotes *is* the history of Synth-DIY<br>
>>> already! Ok, it's only a single source and a single editor, but it<br>
>>> follows the progress of the field over a long period of time and<br>
>>> covers pretty much everything sooner or later. I doubt there's a more<br>
>>> comprehensive overview.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Tom<br>
>>><br>
>>> ==================<br>
>>> Electric Druid<br>
>>> Synth & Stompbox DIY<br>
>>> ==================<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 29 May 2018, at 13:18, <a href="mailto:paula@synth.net">paula@synth.net</a> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Why classify/pigeon hole "what" SDIY is?<br>
>>> The world seems obsessed with putting things in boxes, let's not do the<br>
>>> same here please<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 2018-05-29 12:36, Rob Kam wrote:<br>
>>> Unlike for the history of electronic music <a href="http://120years.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://120years.net/</a>,<br>
>>> apparently<br>
>>> there's not much documentation specifically for the history of DIY<br>
>>> electronic music equipment. I have some questions, if I may.<br>
>>> How to define SDIY - it's not just exclusively synths, amateurs making<br>
>>> electronic music circuits as opposed to plugging together ready-made<br>
>>> parts?<br>
>>> When did SDIY begin and how has it developed over the years? Especially<br>
>>> since the invention of semiconductors but before then should also be<br>
>>> included. What were the significant moments and who were the pioneers<br>
>>> along<br>
>>> the way?<br>
>>> Bob Moog sold Theremin kits in the 1950s. Guitar pedals began development<br>
>>> in<br>
>>> the 1960s. Before this there were guitar amplifiers with effects built in,<br>
>>> and earlier still people used magnetic tape. The PAiA FAQ states that the<br>
>>> 1970s were busy, the 1980s were quieter, (with the hobbyists being<br>
>>> distracted by PCs) and that interest picked up again in the 1990s. PAiA<br>
>>> has<br>
>>> been producing synthesizer kits since 1972. Electronotes started in 1972.<br>
>>> Various magazine articles by authors such as Tim Orr, John Simonton, Don<br>
>>> Lancaster, Craig Anderton, etc. give some sort of indication. The earliest<br>
>>> DIY electronic music instrument books seem to be from the early to<br>
>>> mid-1970s.<br>
>>> How to distinguish what's SDIY from R&D? Obviously the pioneers and<br>
>>> inventors like Harald Bode and Kraftwerk had to DIY; does this get<br>
>>> ignored?<br>
>>> Does it begin with the electro-magnetic Helmholtz resonator?<br>
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