<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the feedback everyone. I have seen Olivier's designs, and they make perfect sense to me. Incidentally, those design are very similar as what Eric Brombaugh used in his cheep mod module (<a href="http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/cheep2/index.html">http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/cheep2/index.html</a>), which is one of the other open designs I examined.<div><br></div><div>Anyway, I was just trying to get a better idea regarding the different circuit designs currently being used. When I looked at the SMR circuit, it wasn't immediately clear to me what was happening.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, I think I figured out how to calculate the open circuit voltage on the MORPHADC pin: I just consider the two voltage sources separately (i.e., the 5V source and then the op-amp) and use the <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">principle of </span>superposition to combine them. As Olivier pointed out, the load impedance of this pin will affect the actual voltage). As Roman said, the 5V source sets the mean voltage, and the CV input is added to this.</div><div><br></div><div>On another note, it seems as though the dynamic range of the input is not the same for all trim pot positions. E.g., then the pot is turned all the way off (so that the 5V source becomes directly connected to R20), the open circuit voltage output on the MORPHADC pin will be around 3.3V. Anything added from the CV input (which is supposed to be in the range 0-10V) will be clipped by the input protection diodes. This seems like a poor design decision, but perhaps I'm wrong in my analysis of this circuit...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Corey</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Tom Wiltshire <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tom@electricdruid.net" target="_blank">tom@electricdruid.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">+1 agree. I’d do it Olivier’s way too, for the reasons given. One op-amp mixer per CV input isn’t a big deal and a reference voltage is not hard to rustle up either.<div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 14 May 2018, at 17:57, O Gillet <<a href="mailto:ol.gillet@gmail.com" target="_blank">ol.gillet@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-1321846340116720839Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span>> </span>guess I'm having a bit of difficulty figuring out exactly what the voltage will be at the MORPHADC and SPREADADC pins.<span> </span></span><br><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span><br></span></span></div><div>For this you have to know the input impedance of the MORPHADC pin.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not a big fan of this kind of circuit. I prefer the way I do it (with a rail to rail op-amp in inverting configuration): the op-amp has a low output impedance, which is good for driving ADC inputs; the input impedance can be set to 100k precisely, which works nicely with some passive modules; you can do some low-pass filtering too. Costs an op-amp per input, and a voltage reference for your whole board.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 6:25 PM Corey K <<a href="mailto:coreyker@gmail.com" target="_blank">coreyker@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I've been studying a few open source circuit designs for digital eurorack modules, and I've come across one that I'm having a little difficulty analyzing. It is for the 4ms spectral multiband resonator (SMR). In particular, I'm looking at circuits for the MORPHCV and SPREADCV inputs, which are on sheet 4 of the schematic (left hand side): <div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/4ms/SMR/blob/master/hardware/smr-1.0.1-schematic.pdf" target="_blank">https://github.com/4ms/SMR/<wbr>blob/master/hardware/smr-1.0.<wbr>1-schematic.pdf</a><div><br></div><div>I understand the basic parts of the circuit: the input passes through and op-amp buffer (gain=1), and the output is connected to a 5v source via a trim pot. The input to a microcontroller is clipped to an acceptable range [0, 3.3V] with two diodes. </div><div><br></div><div>I guess I'm having a bit of difficulty figuring out exactly what the voltage will be at the MORPHADC and SPREADADC pins. I tried to do some nodal analysis, but things weren't making sense to me.</div><div><br></div><div>My intuition is that this is some type of "summing circuit" (the current from the 5v source gets added to the current from the op-amp). If so, why wouldn't the designer have used a traditional op-amp summing circuit? What might be preferable about this configuration?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,<br>Corey</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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