<div dir="ltr">In a decade or two you´ll be able to print any historic chip at home :)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Tom Wiltshire <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tom@electricdruid.net" target="_blank">tom@electricdruid.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
> On 12 May 2018, at 00:40, KD KD <<a href="mailto:pic24hj@gmail.com">pic24hj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Yeah, ok. Maybe “stupid” is a bit strong. But I’d much rather have had an<br>
>> op-amp there instead, even if it was only a 741-type thing. Then you could<br>
>> have done a unity-gain follower for your OTA Cap-to-ground style filters, or<br>
>> an inverting integrator, and you’d also be able to implement a proper I-to-V<br>
>> stage for VCA applications, which gives a much better result than a resistor<br>
>> to ground followed by the buffer.<br>
> <br>
>> Anyway, I can see why Alfa left them off. Many, or even “most”, designs with<br>
>> the 13600/13700 seem to leave them out. I only really see them used in<br>
>> stompbox circuits where minimal parts seems to be a more important design<br>
>> objective then overall quality.Tom!<br>
> <br>
> A FET tranny will do wonders, anyhow of-course i concur it would be nice to have<br>
> proper buffer but if you look into the SDIY archive you will find when<br>
> Harry Bizzell<br>
> sorted out the difference between 13600 and 13700 buffers and why.<br>
> <br>
> What we wanted is the 13600 buffers high beta auto bias but without CV<br>
> shift poping but instead we got low beta 13700 buffers.<br>
> <br>
> You have to go way back in time to see lots of buffer usages but thats<br>
> with 13600.<br>
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</span>Totally agree about the FET buffer. There are several classic Roland filter designs done this way; 13700 Ota with FET buffer. In some ways this combination is what “the Roland sound” means to me.<br>
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Tom<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Quincas Moreira<br>Test Pilot at VBrazil Modular</div>
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