<div dir="ltr"><div>I thought about that. The gear ratio's are crucial to the tuning of the tonewheel generator, and I feel that varying belt diameter (tension related, temperature dependant) could become an issue. Though, I have no way to quantify this instinct.</div><div><br></div><div>As for 3D printing, this is really a nice case where it's not perfect yet, as far as I can tell. I've asked some experienced people, and what I heard was basically that the composite nature of 3D printed objects results in a not-so-homogene material, that has unpredictable wear properties during applications with friction. Polishing changes the surface a bit, but lack of internal homogenity is supposedly a problem for gears, especially when running at higher RPMs (more friction). From memory I recall the drive shaft of the central AC motor in the Pari runs at around 1200 RPM. It connects with a belt drive to the first tonewheel drum shaft, which then connects with gears towards the last (12th) tonewheel shaft, progressively slowing down each drum such that identical drums given a semi-tone tuning difference. The last drum connects with a belt to the vibrato scanner.</div><div><br></div><div>As for PLL loop: I've never designed one, but it has my interest. What amount of complexity am I looking at? Can someone refer me to an example circuit schematic? Each tonewheel drum contains several octaves, the highest octave as (I believe) 16 dents on a single revolution. So that would be the preferred source for PLL feedback, I guess. The other octaves automatically align. The drums are spring-coupled to the gear shafts by the way, so the PLL loop may be affected by that (bouncing at startup?).</div><div><br></div><div>I do imagine this would be a HUGE step forward for the Pari in becoming tunable and way more silent than it is.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rutger</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-24 0:48 GMT+02:00 Sarah Thompson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:plodger@gmail.com" target="_blank">plodger@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Would belt drives work? They have huge advantages over gears if you need smooth transfer with no cogging or backlash.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 4:34 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk" target="_blank">rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div class="h5"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
@roman and Richie: thanks! From my limited experience with bldc's I<br>
feel they would be costly, especially a 12-way driver system for them.<br>
Would they need hall sensor feedback to get the tuning accurate<br>
enough?<br>
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Yes, probably not cheap. I don't think you'd need hall sensors to detect the field, but you would need to ramp the frequency up at a controlled rate to allow the mechanical bits time to accelerate up to operating speed.<span><br>
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The pll sounds nice and classic. I'll look into that. At present I'm<br>
not sure if the pick-up coils of the generator could handle more<br>
loading, e.g. As required for closing the loop. But a high impedance<br>
buffer would probably be ok.<br>
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Take the feedback for the PLL from the highest frequency that you can. The loop filter in the PLL has to filter out the ripple in the compared reference and positional feedback signals. The higher you can make the reference and feedback signal frequencies, the larger the bandwidth of the loop filter can be, and the quicker the PLL speed controller will settle. i.e. Don't use a reference signal that is just one pulse per revolution, as this can mean you end up with a very sluggish control loop!<span class="m_-6694011808400049865HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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