<div dir="ltr">I think Eurorack could benefit from a standards committee, like how midi was implemented back in the day. I've thought about this a lot. I think Rails should be magnetic and power connectors like magsafe right on the rails. 15v DC and each module would subregulate for 12v Bipo. 1.5mm stainless panels (due to the magnetic rails) <div>But hey, what do I know...</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Roman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:modular@go2.pl" target="_blank">modular@go2.pl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Yes, the 15V rails too, I said the list can go on and on...<br></div><div>I'm not against Eurorack, it has got its place, although it has emerged to some kind of cult now.<br></div><div>For someone who worked before with real subrack industrial/telecom stuff, all those "general guidelines" about eurorack modular just sound silly.<br></div><div><br></div><div>There's not one choice of Eurorack power connector, but actually 8 as combination of those 3 factors:<br></div><div> 16/10-pin, shrouded/nonshrouded and good/reversed. But I'm not gonna argue on every other point, nothing good will come out of this, only useless flame war.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Yes, I may found another format, actually I do have basic concept ready for some time. Don't care if it will ever be adopted by others or not. Most probably not. Back in the days every modular had its own way of doing things and everybody was happy.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Roman<br></div></font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="m_2024558731274763879nh_extra"><p>Dnia 20 października 2017 22:00 Tim Ressel <<a href="mailto:timr@circuitabbey.com" target="_blank">timr@circuitabbey.com</a>> napisał(a):<br></p><blockquote class="m_2024558731274763879nh_quote" style="border-left:2px solid #999;padding-left:8px;margin:0"><div id="m_2024558731274763879gwp21495a41"><div id="m_2024558731274763879gwp21495a41h"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="m_2024558731274763879gwp21495a41b"><p>Roman has a point, up to a point. Eurorack certainly has its
problems. Roman didn't even mention the 12V rails, where 15V is so
much better. But it also has its charms. <br></p><p>It sounds like Roman is against Eurorack, and that is fine. There
are other formats, like 5U for example. There you have only 2
different power connectors versus the inferior one choice for
Eurorack. Also fixed width panels that always seem to be too small
or too big. But at least the panels are black and 1/4" jacks are
so kewl and there is a spec for the font. Oh, wait... <br></p><p>This came up several years ago on my modules. I did extensive
testing and found the font doesn't affect the sound at all. <br></p><p>I've never seen panels other than the usual 1.6mm, so no sure
about that. Sliding nuts are a great way to torture prisoners of
war. Heck, even my friend Jeph who swore by sliding nuts changed
his mind when he got a case with nut strips. Of course there is a
way to fix the sliding nut issue: fill the rails all the way up
with nuts, then remove 1 nut for wiggle room. Rails with or
without lip, I have both, don't care either way. As for screws,
yes, three different sizes is a pain in the posterior. But screws
are cheap and so are Altoids cans. <br></p><p>And by the way, I have a standard jack color: It is silver ;-)<br></p><div>I should also point out that there are standards for Eurorack:<br></div><div> <a class="m_2024558731274763879gwp21495a41_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.doepfer.de/a100_man/a100m_e.htm" target="_blank">http://www.doepfer.de/a100_<wbr>man/a100m_e.htm</a><br></div><div> <a class="m_2024558731274763879gwp21495a41_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.doepfer.de/a100_man/a100t_e.htm" target="_blank">http://www.doepfer.de/a100_<wbr>man/a100t_e.htm</a><br></div><div> <br></div><div> Sadly, no spec for the font. <br></div><div> <br></div><div> Perhaps Roman should consider founding a new format. It sounds like
he has strong opinions on how things outta be. For me though, a
format that has rigid standards for every last little thing sounds
like going to the zoo: see the animals safely behind cages, no risk
of anything going wrong, eat some popcorn. I prefer a safari on the
Serengeti: Not so safe, never know which guide you're going to get,
my get eaten by a lion. That's what Eurorack is like.<br></div><div> <br></div><div> --Timbo<br></div><div> <br></div><div> <br></div><div class="m_2024558731274763879gwp21495a41_moz-cite-prefix">On 10/20/2017 11:45 AM, Roman wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Why bother with color jacks since whole eurorack is a mess!<br></div><div>Power source - no specs at all, power cable - crap, power
connector - mistake, mounting screws - M3 or M2.5 or
inch-something, various rail types resulting in different srew
lenght requirement, rails with or without lip, mounting holes in
if full HP or half-HP location, sliding nuts - insanity, panel
thickness and materials, from 1 to 5mm, and I haven't even
touched CV ranges, neither in/out impedances, this list can go
on and on.<br></div><div>And anybody considering standarize jack colors? Gimme a
break. How about uniform font?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Roman<br></div><div class="m_2024558731274763879gwp21495a41_nh_extra"><p>Dnia 20 października 2017 19:39 Quincas Moreira <a class="m_2024558731274763879gwp21495a41_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:quincas@gmail.com" target="_blank"><quincas@gmail.com></a> napisał(a):<br></p><blockquote class="m_2024558731274763879gwp21495a41_nh_quote" style="border-left:2px solid #999;padding-left:8px;margin:0"><div id="m_2024558731274763879gwp21495a41_gwp85c9da6d"><div>I think I prefer the way Random Source does the Serge
colour coding in Euro, it goes on the panel rather than on
the jack. just a coloured circle around each jack. And
keep it simple, just red, black and blue, more becomes
messy, IMo<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPad<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote><div>On Oct 20, 2017, at 11:41 AM, Vladimir Pantelic <a class="m_2024558731274763879gwp21495a41_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vladoman@gmail.com" target="_blank"><vladoman@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div>except for the Doepfer range, no other module I have
uses these right angle Cliff jacks. And I don't even
know where to buy the colored version from.<br></div><div>so unless I do full color print panels, I see not way
to implement this scheme even if I wanted.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote><div>On 10/20/2017 06:05 PM, Andre Majorel wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.elby-designs.com/webtek/panther/panther-jacks.htm" target="_blank">http://www.elby-designs.com/<wbr>webtek/panther/panther-jacks.<wbr>htm</a><br></div><div>I think that it would make panels look like angry
fruit salads<br></div><div>and that might be counter-productive. A quick way
to tell<br></div><div>outputs from inputs would be nice, though.
Something like the<br></div><div>Cwejman S1 but using brightness rather than hue. Eg
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