<div dir="ltr">V2164 from Coolaudio is a good sub for the SSM2164 that doesn't cost collector prices, and is also available in SMT.<div><br></div><div>Pete</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 2:16 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sleepy_dog@gmx.de" target="_blank">sleepy_dog@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Thanks Tom, yes that cleared some things up. "go wild with this", yeah, I have some ideas about that ;)<br>
The 2164 being one of those ICs available for collector's prices? Although I might even have some of those hidden in some box... But I think I'm going to make this SMT.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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Am 21.08.2017 um 19:46 schrieb Tom Wiltshire:<br>
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Hi Steve,<br>
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Yes, three multimode filters would be the same as the PolyMoog resonator. That’s what it is:<br>
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<a href="http://www.synthfool.com/docs/Moog/polymoogresonator.jpg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.synthfool.com/docs/<wbr>Moog/polymoogresonator.jpg</a><br>
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Note that the schematic shows us that the filters are state-variable filters (which we’d guessed anyway because of the HP, BP, and LP outputs) and that they’re *not* VCFs. They’re just based on op-amps. You also mention the slopes. A 12dB SVF has 6dB slopes for the BP output. That’s normal, since that’s a 2-pole bandpass filter, and it’s a 2-pole filter. The way I think about it is that you need to filter off both the low and the high frequencies, so you have to share the poles out to do the job!<br>
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The Moog schematic is about as simple as such a thing could get, since it is pretty much just the three SVFs joined together. Personally I don’t like the way you have to change the response of all the filters together instead of individually, but that would be easy to change. Compare with this schematic:<br>
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<a href="http://sound.whsites.net/articles/st-var-f1.gif" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://sound.whsites.net/artic<wbr>les/st-var-f1.gif</a><br>
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Obviously you could go wild with this. Some years ago I built SVF+VCA modules around the 2164. This would be perfect for this, since you get a 2-pole VCF with VC resonance and a VCA all on the one chip.<br>
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<a href="http://electricdruid.net/images/svf+vca.jpg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://electricdruid.net/image<wbr>s/svf+vca.jpg</a><br>
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I don’t seem to have the schematic online, but ask me if you’re interested.<br>
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HTH,<br>
Tom<br>
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On 21 Aug 2017, at 17:16, Steve <<a href="mailto:sleepy_dog@gmx.de" target="_blank">sleepy_dog@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hey experienced SDIYers,<br>
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say, would slapping together 3 {VCA, multi-mode VCF 12 dB/oct with Q control} combos be the functional equivalent of the Moog Resonator? (with modified VCF control ranges, limited to 1 of those 3 bands each)<br>
Although I faintly remember some of those multi mode VCFs having only 6 dB/oct slope on BP. Maybe not those. Are there designs with the same slope for all, or is this a general feature of such VCFs?<br>
My goal is to make something that can shape sounds similarly to the Moog thing, as demo'ed on YT by some guy enhancing vocal and brass sounds.<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XUiJi5153Y" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=_XUiJi5153Y</a><br>
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But in a much smaller box, without the battalion of pots.<br>
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I thought about just taking J.Haible's schematic and replacing all the pots with MCP41HV digipots, but that'd be 14 (some are stereo), a bit expensive *and* wiper noise, that doesn't taste well together ;)<br>
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- Steve<br>
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