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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Muxing 6 pots would be an easy task. As you don’t move pots very fast simple single channel multiplexing
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">would be enough, so for 6 pots with 2 pot channels per pot a 4067 16 channel analog mux would be suitable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For breadboard prototyping you can buy this chip mounted on a little PCB for about 2€<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If you have a dual channel synchronous sampling ADC then you could take two 4051 analog muxes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Synth-diy [mailto:synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Bruno Afonso<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 10. Juli 2017 20:28<br>
<b>An:</b> Liam D <helloliamdaly@gmail.com>; Rick Jansen <rick.jansen@xs4all.nl><br>
<b>Cc:</b> synth-diy@synth-diy.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [sdiy] sin/cos pot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>How do these feel? Like previous generation elektron encoders? Could we easily mux 6 pots into one ADC? I've never done it. I have a teensy 3.6 based prototype to send out dmx where I currently have 6 encoders. But I'd love to upgrade this to elektron like
encoders/endless pots.. :) this is exactly why a while ago I asked about it. Others were interested as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 10, 2017, 13:47 Liam D <<a href="mailto:helloliamdaly@gmail.com">helloliamdaly@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks! I remember coming across this style of pot a while back when tinkering with an alesis ion. That synth used about 30 of these plus a few regular pots all muxed down to 8 ADC channels. The service manual is on the web if anyones interested
in the schematic. I always thought these would be cool parts to design with but I could never find a supplier for them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 10 Jul 2017, at 13:12, Ullrich Peter <<a href="mailto:Peter.Ullrich@kapsch.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">Peter.Ullrich@kapsch.net</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Maybe the Bourns ACE Encoder could fit here: absolute encoder, 128 states per revolution, no hard steps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span class="m-7509148493419736497apple-converted-space"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Synth-diy
[<a href="mailto:synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:synth-diy-bounces@synth-diy.org</span></a>]<span class="m-7509148493419736497apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class="m-7509148493419736497apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:paula@synth.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">paula@synth.net</span></a><br>
<b>Gesendet:</b><span class="m-7509148493419736497apple-converted-space"> </span>Montag, 10. Juli 2017 12:51<br>
<b>An:</b><span class="m-7509148493419736497apple-converted-space"> </span>Julian Schmidt <<a href="mailto:elfenjunge@gmx.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">elfenjunge@gmx.net</span></a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="m-7509148493419736497apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</span></a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b><span class="m-7509148493419736497apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [sdiy] sin/cos pot</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Issues I see with a sin/cos pot;</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Use of 2 x ADC channels (more expensive than logic inputs)</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Slightly more complex software for reading/processing the sin/cos outputs.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Advantge; you get an absolute position.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">if you want more resolution from a regular grey code rotary encoder. you can use double edge triggering.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">So instead of just picking the rising edge on one channel, use both edges, this will give you 48PPQN with a 24PPQN encoder.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I guess, though not tested, you could go a step further and use edge detection on both channels and both edges on both channels giving you 96PPQN from a 24PPQN encoder, though I would expect switch
bounce to cause more of a problem at this resolution.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Downside; no absolute position.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Paula</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On 2017-07-10 11:31, Julian Schmidt wrote:</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I also found them at<span class="m-7509148493419736497apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.adimpex.it/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">www.adimpex.it</span></a><span class="m-7509148493419736497apple-converted-space"> </span>for
1.15€/pcs. but they have a minimum order amount of 200€ :-/<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Am 10.07.2017 um 12:09 schrieb Michael Zacherl:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>On 9.Jul 2017, at 12:42 , Julian Schmidt <a href="mailto:elfenjunge@gmx.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple"><elfenjunge@gmx.net></span></a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Anybody has an idea what the part number for the continuous alpha pots is?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>I just asked the other day for an encoder alternative with higher resolution, they would be great!<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Maybe I'd have to ask my distributor in taiwan about them.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Thanks for sharing, didn't know such a pot exists.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>How would you tell the direction of the movement?<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>BTW, $15 ... hm ... needs quantities I'd guess ... <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Thanks, Michael.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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