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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2017 4:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bernard Arthur Hutchins Jr<br>
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<div dir="ltr" style="">OCR is not a panacea, but it's a useful tool since it can often do the bulk of the transcription, heavily saving on manual labour (typing). And in my humble opinion this is the way to go in the long run. Both for preservation of a legacy
in a format that's less likely to be infested by "bit rot" but also for practical reasons of searchability. To give a practical example of searchability, although not necessarily identical to this use case, I have many times lost the link to some obscure web
page. I've later been able to find it again, in part, by searching for some particular word or phrase used on that page, in addition to other keywords.
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">What I would suggest as an end goal, and we might disagree philosophically, is to convert the Electronotes to a "natively digital" format, such as HTML or wiki formatting, where the text, instead of being confined to lines
of a certain length like on paper, it would instead be formatted into paragraph that would flow freely to the size of the user's screen. Especially wiki formatting would, with the use of an extension, provide formatting for formulae, in the form of a subset
of LaTeX format. For example, the definition of the Laplace transform can be written as:</div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><math>F(s) =\int_0^\infty f(t)e^{-st} \, dt</math><br>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I don't have any idea how one would convert to HTML - let alone how one would do 6000 pages of paper. Now idea what wiki is. TeX I tried and gave up. </div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In either case, the question is obviously, who's going to do the work? I could personally sink a few, or even many hours into a project like that, but obviously nowhere near enough time to finish all 6000 pages. But through
collaboration it might be possible. For example, I might contact Jason Scott and the good volunteers at Archive Team. With enough luck, there might be people, among whom the job of scanning the papers could be divided, and people (not necessarily the same
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<div style="">I'm not going to do this work myself, obviously. Turning it over to a group of volunteers sound like<span style="font-size: 10pt;"> an ideal way to stop everything. </span></div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">In the end, it's probably a pipe dream, though.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 July 2017 at 20:59, Bernard Arthur Hutchins Jr <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:bah13@cornell.edu" target="_blank">bah13@cornell.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p>Thanks Rob -</p>
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<p>Really makes my point, and I guess I should not rely on volunteers! I don't blame you one bit - just does not work.</p>
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<p>I expect no one else want to try either. If anyone does, don't look at the crib below until after you try. Errors located and circled in red. </p>
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<p><a href="http://electronotes.netfirms.com/AN23Rob.PDF" class="m_1998627374052741350OWAAutoLink" id="m_1998627374052741350LPlnk587417" target="_blank">http://electronotes.netfirms.<wbr>com/AN23Rob.PDF</a><br>
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<p>Please all, let's agree that the OCR issue is bogus as applied here.</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:51 PM<span class=""><br>
<b>To:</b> Bernard Arthur Hutchins Jr<br>
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<div id="m_1998627374052741350yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499355715660_7157"><span id="m_1998627374052741350yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499355715660_7156">Thanks for the challenge Bernie but no thanks. I don't have the patience to correct the OCR.<br>
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<b id="m_1998627374052741350yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499355715660_7151"><span id="m_1998627374052741350yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499355715660_7150" style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Bernard Arthur Hutchins Jr <<a href="mailto:bah13@cornell.edu" target="_blank">bah13@cornell.edu</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Rob Kam <<a href="mailto:robkam@ymail.com" target="_blank">robkam@ymail.com</a>>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 6 July 2017, 18:30<span class=""><br>
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<div id="m_1998627374052741350yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499355715660_7161">Thanks Rob -</div>
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<div id="m_1998627374052741350yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499355715660_7163">True - the equations are now usable, but slightly more blurred than my original PDF. Likewise, the figures are now OK but of slightly lower quality, which does NOT matter much for hand drawings.
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<div id="m_1998627374052741350yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499355715660_7306">I did note a lot of OCR misreads in the text. A careful proofing of the text took me 18 minutes and there are 25 errors, some not at all obscure, and about 13 of which I had to look at the
original to see what they were supposed to be. (One was hard to detect since it substituted an Rf for an Ri, a disaster). A full proofread/correction would take at least 30 minutes (188 eight-hour days for 6000 pages). And I wrote this! Almost certainly
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<div id="m_1998627374052741350yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499355715660_7235">In the spirit of no good deed going unpunished, Rob, let me put you on the spot. Take your scan, find and fix the 25 errors. Let us know how easy/hard this was and the time it took, and show
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<div id="m_1998627374052741350yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499355715660_7042">I will post the "solution" to the "find the errors" this evening if I get the chance.</div>
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<div id="m_1998627374052741350yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499355715660_7309">Since there is no improvement in the figures/equations, and the text is a serious downgrade, tell me again (anyone) why an OCR/ebook is a good idea here. </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 6, 2017 7:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bernard Arthur Hutchins Jr<br>
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<span id="m_1998627374052741350yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1499355715660_7226" style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#1f497d">There’s a second attempt at
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To put my two cents in, the synth DIY community should see whether they are able to raise the funds to compensate (against unsold hardcopy,
<span class="m_1998627374052741350yiv0105428593SpellE">ebooks</span> etc.) for releasing
<span class="m_1998627374052741350yiv0105428593SpellE">Electronotes</span> under a non-commercial Creative Commons licence
<a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/uk/" target="_blank">https://creativecommons.org/<wbr>licenses/by-nc/2.0/uk/</a>
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<div class="m_1998627374052741350yiv0105428593MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> Bernard Arthur Hutchins Jr [mailto:<a href="mailto:bah13@cornell.edu" target="_blank">bah13@cornell.edu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 06 July 2017 01:42<br>
<b>To:</b> Rob Kam <<a href="mailto:robkam@ymail.com" target="_blank">robkam@ymail.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:mskala@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca" target="_blank">mskala@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</a><br>
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<div class="m_1998627374052741350yiv0105428593MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; color:black">But a manual identifications and 5 minutes/page is no good for the small improvement. Still months of 8-hour days to do 6000 pages. My PDF is still much better
already. The equations are still unusable. It makes the same text errors, apparently. Why not just say it just can't do this? Wasn't intended to. </span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 5, 2017 6:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bernard Arthur Hutchins Jr; </span><a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:mskala@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">mskala@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:synth-diy@synth-diy.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">synth-diy@synth-diy.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [sdiy] Can anyone OCR the AN23.PDF File Here?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; color:black">
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At </span><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sdiy.info/AN23.rtf" id="m_1998627374052741350yiv0105428593LPlnk309394" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">http://www.sdiy.info/AN23.rtf</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#1f497d"> this took
10 minutes to OCR with </span><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiZhc6ZmPPUAhVG6RQKHRHpA1UQFggoMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abbyy.com%2Fen-gb%2Fsupport%2Ffinereader-12%2F&usg=AFQjCNHLOjsz219pjjTDqDytG2Cpm9N90w" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#1f497d; text-decoration:none">ABBYY
FineReader 12</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:#1f497d">, first manually identifying areas of text vs. images. Obviously it still needs further corrections.
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