<div><div dir="auto">An acoustic instrument exists in, and interacts with, an acoustic space.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Both the listener and the instrument can move around in this space.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Modelling body resonance inside an anechoic space is one thing, letting it out in the wild is another.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When I was in school, one of my "wow" acoustic moments was listening to a cellist in a practice room (a room inside an old wooden house), where it seemed like the whole house was being excited by his playing (I now know about modal and non-modal peaks and cancellations in a room).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Just an observation :)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards,</div><div dir="auto">JPS</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">ps: Behringer feedback destroyers (FBQ2496 is the latest) can also be operated in manual PEQ mode with 20 bands, Q of 1/60th oct to 10 octaves, +15 to -36dB gain</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 at 7:13 am, Richie Burnett <<a href="mailto:rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk">rburnett@richieburnett.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks for that summary Tom,<br>
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-Richie,<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Tom Wiltshire<br>
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 9:08 PM<br>
To: ezion<br>
Cc: SDIY List<br>
Subject: Re: [sdiy] Resonator type filters<br>
<br>
At Ian Fritz's suggestion, I've been reading the following paper:<br>
<br>
M. V. Hathews and J. Kohut, "Electronic Simulation of Violin Resonances",<br>
jj. Acoust-Soc. Am. til, IbHJ (1973).<br>
<br>
It's not available anywhere for free, as far as I can tell, so you'll need a<br>
friend at a university. But I'm going to tell you the gist of it.<br>
<br>
When I hear "Resonator type filters", I'm thinking of "Body modelling<br>
filters" - e.g. filters that allow you to model the body (and other)<br>
resonances in acoustic instruments to either synthesise them more<br>
accurately, or to add another dimension to other synth sounds that may not<br>
be a copy of a particular acoustic instrument, but which might have a<br>
particular character ("woodwind" say).<br>
<br>
What is required for this varies a fair bit. What I knew already was about<br>
brass, woodwind, and vocal resonances, which are fairly few in number (5<br>
would cover it - 4 is ok, even 3 does a reasonable job, as Elhardt's<br>
PolyMoog video demonstrates). You need less for brass and woodwind and more<br>
for vocals.<br>
<br>
What I've learned from the paper posted above is that for strings this is<br>
not sufficient, although there might be a couple of major resonances lower<br>
down that you could copy fairly easily. But the "lush", "rich" quality which<br>
we're after seems to come from the amplitude modulation of the harmonics<br>
caused by many narrow bands coupled with a limited vibrato. So we need lots<br>
of peaks (20-30 seems like the best, from their results) and the peaks need<br>
to not match any *particular* note's harmonics so all notes are similarly<br>
affected. Finally, the peaks need to be spaced enough that's there's roughly<br>
a -12dB trough between them. Much more than than that, and you get a "hole"<br>
and dead notes, less than that and you don't get enough movement in the<br>
notes.<br>
<br>
So there are really two basic types of resonator bank you could build. One<br>
would be basically a sophisticated parametric EQ with several bands (say, 3,<br>
4 or 5) with variable frequency, Q, and gain. The other would be a much<br>
larger bank of fixed filters. This would have individually variable gain,<br>
and could potentially have overall variable Q by wrapping feedback round the<br>
whole lot, as described in Bernie's Electronotes posting.<br>
<br>
The first style is probably good for woodwinds, brass, and vocal sounds. The<br>
second is what you need for strings, at least according to that paper.<br>
<br>
Ok, that's the results of my researches on the subject, and my understanding<br>
of what's been discussed here so far! I hope it helps.<br>
<br>
Tom<br>
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On 3 Jul 2017, at 16:43, ezion <<a href="mailto:ezion67@gmail.com" target="_blank">ezion67@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Think the Elektor Formant resonator module might also be of interest to<br>
> you.<br>
> Sorry no link, but the Formant schematics (a DIY modular from the late<br>
> '70) are on the net for sure.<br>
> Basically its a 3 band boost only parametric EQ.<br>
> Personally now days when working with VSTs I just abuse a EQ plug-in.<br>
><br>
> Groetjes Theo<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Elaine Klopke <<a href="mailto:functionofform@gmail.com" target="_blank">functionofform@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> Hey list,<br>
><br>
> So I'm sure that I'm not aware of all of the variations, but....<br>
><br>
> I've run across the Scott Stites triple Wilson SVVCF (and still plan on<br>
> building it!), and the Cwejman QMMF, and was thinking of cooking up my<br>
> own. But how many filters is overkill? Above are examples of three and<br>
> four filters in parallel with independent controls and a master section to<br>
> alter them all together. What about five filters? Six? 40?<br>
><br>
> Just another silly question going through my brain..<br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPhone<br>
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