<div dir="auto">PS I don't think anyone is minimizing the overall cost. That's why Bernie makes it available in pieces. But to say it ought to cost less than a typical college textbook seems to minimize the value it has.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Some means of addressing those competing concerns also needs to go into any hypothetical attempt at crowd funding a solution as well.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 25, 2017 7:14 PM, "Pete Hartman" <<a href="mailto:pete.hartman@gmail.com">pete.hartman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">My understanding from talking to Bernie about this in the past is that the paper is largely a sunk cost. He's already bought a lot of it.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">To make an electronic version viable, we would have to meet several needs:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Not leaving Bernie in the hole for the paper he has on hand.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cover the cost of doing the digitizing right. Included in that cost is a person or people with the time to do the job, which Bernie does not have or does not care to expend personally--as is his right.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Make arrangements for digital commerce that fairly compensate Bernie without requiring a lot of time to manage himself.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Some reasonable effort to thwart the inevitable piracy. With the paper edition this is a very low issue, but obviously digital media are a whole new ballgame.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If these could be solved to Bernie' s satisfaction, I'd bet a crowd funding solution could work. But simply asserting that one or the other of these concerns (or any that I've missed, for that matter) isn't really important doesn't move the conversation forward in any meaningful way.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We're very rapidly reaching the point of repeating ourselves instead of having a conversation. Hopefully we can avoid that rat hole.....</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Pete</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 25, 2017 6:46 PM, <<a href="mailto:sleepy_dog@gmx.de" target="_blank">sleepy_dog@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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>> The way to encourage the brightest among us to share
their knowledge is not to see how low we can devalue what they
do. No thank you, I am not interested in a race to the bottom.
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The paper is only the carrier material. I don't see the virtue of
burning money on an inefficient form of delivery.<br>
Not to mention the substantial added cost of shipping half a
boatload of paper from the US to overseas.<br>
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And he already mentioned he isn't making a lot off of it.<br>
If you could increase the number of sales, which lower prices tend
to do, and, after some initial fixed effort, could reduce the
ongoing effort, as was suggested, it might actually increase the
profit.<br>
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Perhaps some people with expertise in the newest scanning tech can
give some insights, to remove some of the roadblocks.<br>
<br>
Perhaps if enough people are interested from the get go, no risk
of up front investment for such a project would be necessary.<br>
I.e., open a *Kickstarter* project, and spread the news throughout
any damn site that has (wannabe) synth DIYers on it, and let's see
whether enough backers can be found to meet the goal. If so, he
gets the money, no ifs no buts. If not, the project gets the
failed status, and not much harm was done.<br>
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Or how about this here:<br>
<a class="m_1672232446044735057m_6751903158459655796moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://leanpub.com/" target="_blank">https://leanpub.com/</a><br>
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People can buy not-yet-finished e-books, the books status (and
content) is updated by the author, and those who already
purchased, have access to it.<br>
I.e. you can read what's already there when it's there, nobody has
to wait until it's *all* done, which might increase the
willingness of some to pay up front. You don't have to wait so
long until you get *something*.<br>
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<br>
Maybe some people forgot that, but 300..400 bucks is a lot for
some, especially young people.<br>
And those are a target audience, too, if you don't want this
niche hobby to die out ;-)<br>
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Now perhaps I am exaggerating due to ignorance, I'm not that long
into SDIY, but my impression is that there are not that many
(still in print) good books out there explaining analog synth
circuits. So making material that makes that more accessible would
be most excellent, dudes.<br>
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<br>
Steve<br>
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Am 25.06.2017 um 22:39 schrieb Tom Farrand:<br>
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Shakespeare is dead and any copyright of his work
died a very long time ago.<br>
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Beethoven is also at end-stage death but his stuff
costs a little more because the copyright is still
very much alive on the PERFORMANCE of his works. That
is what the $28 is for ... the performance of
Beethoven's works. Beethoven and his descendants get
nada. Same for Shakespeare ... nada.<br>
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I fail to see any similarity between two dead guys and
what copies of their stuff sells for, to that of Bernie,
who is very much alive and still producing stuff.<br>
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Electronotes is a "vintage" history book that is still
being written by the original author. I am more than just
a little grateful for his contributions to my education.<br>
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As to cost, I think that most any single order I've placed
to SynthCube or Mouser or Digi-Key for parts, would exceed
the full cost of the paper version of Electronotes on which
many of us learned from Bernie what it's all about. A deep
understanding of this subject matter that has made many of
us fairly skilled in the art, is for sale for less than
$400. I think that is a bargain. Hells, bells, an opening
night opera ticket can cost up to a grand or more. And when
it's over ... it's over.<br>
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The way to encourage the brightest among us to share their
knowledge is not to see how low we can devalue what they do.
No thank you, I am not interested in a race to the bottom.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 1:19 PM, MOB <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mob@mindspring.com" target="_blank">mob@mindspring.com</a>></span>
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I completely agree that Bernie should be free to do whatever
he wishes with his intellectual property.<br>
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I did think, and I do take issue with your last argument.
In less than a minute, I found a Kindle edition of the
complete works of Shakespeare for 99 cents and CD's of the
complete symphonies of Beethoven for $28.<br>
<br>
There's a trade-off satisfaction from income from fewer
high-paying users and from having your work more widely
known and used. We all know that in a consumer-based world,
the single-item price is *not* the index of value. An
individual has a right to choose either, but it's nice to
know that both options are available.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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On 6/25/2017 1:37 PM, Tom Farrand wrote:<br>
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Can I reduce your life's work into a $50 PDF? Is that
what a lifetime of work is worth nowadays? People:
think.<br>
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