<div dir="ltr">the Intellijel Polaris also does something similar, if i'm not mistaken...<div><br></div><div><a href="https://intellijel.com/eurorack-modules/polaris/">https://intellijel.com/eurorack-modules/polaris/</a></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Andrew Simper <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andy@cytomic.com" target="_blank">andy@cytomic.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Tom: another alternative to switching the input signal to the base of<br>
the cap to get the high pass response instead of low pass is to do<br>
this operation "manually", that is to take away input from the output<br>
of the low pass stage, and feed this differenced signal, which is the<br>
high pass, to the next stage. If the input to the low pass is already<br>
inverting then you need to sum the input with the output to generate<br>
the high pass response.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Andy<br>
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On 10 June 2017 at 10:53, Andrew Simper <<a href="mailto:andy@cytomic.com">andy@cytomic.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> A word of warning: Craig Anderton's multiple identity filter will not<br>
> give "correct" shapes for all responses, the resonance path doesn't<br>
> always work. You need to change the resonance feedback path to be<br>
> either at the input, or at the base of the first cap, and if I recall<br>
> correctly you also need to sometimes invert it depending on the<br>
> responses.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Andy<br>
><br>
> On 10 June 2017 at 09:20, Doug Terrebonne <<a href="mailto:dougt55@yahoo.com">dougt55@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Yes, Craig Anderton did this with the 3320 -<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.synthdiy.com/files/2002/MIF.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.synthdiy.com/files/<wbr>2002/MIF.pdf</a><br>
>> Doug<br>
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>> Subject: Re: [sdiy] Untangling the Oberheim OB-8 filter<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks Sean, but they're not very similar. 4PM is a 2164 VCA-based pole-mixing filter, similar to the Oberheim Xpander and not very much like the OB-Xa/OB-8 CEM3320 filters. OB-Xa/OB-8 use a standard 4-pole cascade as per the CEM3320 datasheet for the 4-pole filter and a 2-pole state variable filter (completely *unlike * the datasheet) for the 2-pole filter. The 4-pole version was then developed into the pole-mixing filter that appeared in the Xpander/Matrix-12, but by that point, it was using the CEM3372 rather than the 3320 (although I don't see why you couldn't do the same trick with the CEM3320 - now, there's a thought…)<br>
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>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 01:13, Sean Ellis <<a href="mailto:TensionType@hotmail.com">TensionType@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> The 4-pole Mission filter for the Shruthi is at least a bit clearer to read:<br>
>> <a href="https://mutable-instruments.net/archive/shruthi/build/4pm/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mutable-instruments.<wbr>net/archive/shruthi/build/4pm/</a><br>
>><br>
>> I believe it's a similar topology.<br>
>><br>
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>> Subject: [sdiy] Untangling the Oberheim OB-8 filter<br>
>><br>
>> Hi All,<br>
>><br>
>> I've been doing some research on filter designs that use analog switches to reconfigure the filter (as part of a series of blog posts on multimode filters that I'm working on):<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://electricdruid.net/multimode-filters-part-1-reconfigurable-filters/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://electricdruid.net/<wbr>multimode-filters-part-1-<wbr>reconfigurable-filters/</a><br>
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>> Among these is the Oberheim OB-8, which uses a 4016 and a 4053 to mimic the effect of the two independent filter circuits in the OB-Xa (one four-pole lowpass, one 2-pole state-variable, used as lowpass only). The circuit looks like this:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://electricdruid.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ob8-sm-24.jpg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://electricdruid.net/wp-<wbr>content/uploads/2017/06/ob8-<wbr>sm-24.jpg</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I'm struggling to untangle this. It's safe to assume that the two separated circuits are close to the OB-Xa designs (they are - that much is clear). I've already documented those here:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://electricdruid.net/cem3320-filter-designs/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://electricdruid.net/<wbr>cem3320-filter-designs/</a><br>
>> CEM3320 Filter designs | Electric Druid<br>
>> <a href="http://electricdruid.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">electricdruid.net</a><br>
>> Like my SSM2044 page, this page is a look at how various synths implemented the CEM3320 filter, with the datasheet design as a reference standard. Whereas the SSM2044 ...<br>
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>> Despite having a good idea what I'm looking for, I haven't yet been able to get the two different OB-8 designs untangled. I've got the schematic open in a image editor with multiple layers, so I can delete irrelevant parts of the schematic from the "4 pole" and "2-pole" layers and so on. This is getting me closer all the time, but I'm not there yet. I think it's also the case that in 2-pole mode there are a number of components hanging off things that are connected but basically irrelevant, since they're there for the other circuit, and similarly for 4-pole mode. That makes life more of a mess.<br>
>><br>
>> Any advice on how to untangle this? I'm feeling a bit like I might have to redraw the schematic into a clearer layout first, and then deal with separating the two versions, but that seems like adding another step.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Tom<br>
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